SoE's treatment of Zerkers

[Oneiromancer]

Well, even at level 44, why would someone want 3 buffs to do the job of one when they have a limited number of buff slots?  And you really enjoy casting 3 times the amount of buffs in order to get people's hp up?

It does make sense to me to raise the level limit for 40's spells.  Actually, at lower levels, I'd rather have some nice regeneration spell, or HoS on than Temp.  It's kind of odd that only after level 49 or whatever do spells suddenly become too powerful.  I doubt it will ever change, but I don't think I'd be too angry.

Game on,

[Shirrkarn Ayge]

All things being equal this is the beastlord forum... who gives a flying s**t about zerkers!.

If you really have a problem why air it here

[Mneumenth]

As far as buffs go...so what?  Who cares if they hit Lvl 1 or Lvl 51?

There are very few "n00b's" left.  Most of these Lvl 1's have done the road to 60-ish before.  IMO, anything that makes the road a bit smoother, the better.  I know I've been at this game since Jul 99.  I also know I dont need to get bitchslapped by "an orc pawn_001", wearing patched leather I crafted myself, and a rusty mace all over again, just to know how to play.  Ive said it a million times...Its their dime and their time.  Let them play their way.

As far as Zerkers go...

I think the folks who stuck it out will be highly pleased with the re-vamped Berzerker.  SoE did not go to all the trouble to make this class to leave them as is...though, it is a shame they had to wait for the next expansion to see their individual bailities.  I would not be surprised if when their re-vamp goes live, there will be many bitter people over what this class received.

This is of course just opinion.  My $.02, and with inflation probably worth much less.

[Kinash]

Why?  Temperance is just an aego version of existing cleric spells that are under level 50 & can, therefore, hit anything.  Sorry that kids today have advantages you didn't, but too damn bad.

I guess I'm peculiar in thinking an 800HP and 50AC buff on level 1's seems wrong.

And it's not about kids having advantages I didn't..it's about balance. Lowbies with 500%< extra HP than they should have just doesn't seem right. Hand on heart, do you honestly think it is? Yeah, times change, especially in EQ. But that doesn't mean every change is right.

I'm not out to spoil someone's enjoyment in the game just because I'm an old timer and it wasn't done back then, or whatever. I can see it's wrong, that's all.

But level 1s have been able to get those stats since the first cleric hit level 49.  This isn't new, it's just easier so fewer clerics say no.  Personally, as a cleric, I never bothered to get temp since it's just a twinking spell & I had no use for it, but I can produce the exact same hp/ac with resolution/naltron/shield of words...or I think that's the 49 buff combo, it's been awhile :)

--Kreseth

Too much easier. Before PoK a low level really couldn't get Temp unless someone was power-leveling them since anyone able to cast it was usually in a level-appropriate zone playing. There was no safe place that a level 1 could go without getting killed on the way to get those juicy buff! Occasionally, you would get some kindly player you would buff the lowbies as they were passing through, but it wasn't something you could count on. Now they just click on the book... a viola.... you can get all the buffs ya want!  :o

[janl]

Before PoK?  Hell, before LoY there wasn't even a spell in the game called Temperance.  And no, combining all buffs that a cleric has access to at 44 (before Temp) doesn't give you the same effect as 800hp and 50? AC.  I can see where some people take up issue with this, and I agree to a point.  Anyway...back on track..

I have a level 35 berserker alt.  They do have some issues but they are coming along and progress is being made (innate crits, anybody?  SOE originally said...NOPE, NO WAY).  And yes, I'm an old school beast, been playing since Luclin release.  We were in the same boat back then.  Hell, I can remember reading the patch message when they added Cancel Magic to our line-up.  I've said this before, and I'lll say it again now, give them time.  They'll find their niche, and this will all be forgotten, except by those, who like the old timers among us, were there before it was all golden.

[Gourgeous George]

In response to Kreseth giving Grimgrey a hard time and stating:

Personally I'd like to see players realize that how other folks play isn't any of their damn business unless that person is deliberately bothering them. Not all newbie zones are created equal & neither are all newbie characters.

I know Grimgrey aka Eatbugs in game and he is a great guy and a fellow Beastie and guildie, not to mention if you read most of what he says on the boards, he is a very considerate and sharing person. I did check to make sure this was the rant section before I was gonna give Kreseth a mouthful, but then decided I gain nothing by attacking people, but I will defend the honour of my friend.

All Grimgrey was doing was giving his opinion and reminiscing of the times when newbs didn't roam freely begging for stuff and effectively buying their way through the levels by using Planar Books and high level buffs, regardless of whether they have 5 or 6 level 65 toons or not. This is not really that dissimilar to the old spellbook meditation which vanished in the end as you passed a certain level. With time and effort you were able to benefit from more is what Grimgrey was saying.

I don't think anyone even Kreseth can disagree with the idea that as you gain levels you want to have greater power, ability, buffs, and are able to visit better places.

Now this is JUST my opinion, and I have been playing EQ since the beginning also. I will always take time to explain stuff to new Bst as they progress and are curious. I don't resent them getting better gear but I have also seen them spamming PoK with requests and asking me for some Bst buffs just cos I am in the same zone as them. I believe wholeheartedly that to truly appreciate what you gain, you have to appreciate the time and work involved in getting there. I see twink Bst that don't have full spellbooks who fizzle like crazy and ask for buffs to save them time. The reason they tell me is that why bother with low level spells when they just level fast and get the better stuff. Surely part of the experience is to enjoy the gains as they happen and not just jump from zero to hero. It amazes me how this mimics real life and how children want what adults have before it is right or proper.

As I said, that is JUST my opinion, we each have our own and are entitled to it. Rant all you like guys, but DON'T forget you should still have the maturity to treat people with respect and agree to disagree.

As to newbie zones not all being equal, this is very true Kreseth you are right there, on that I agree with you totally. When I made a Troll, KoS to most places, I think facts like that were already factored in when I made my Bst. Anyone who feels hard done by where they start out should perhaps think more about what benefits each race/class has before they make them.

that said, I apologise to the rest of you if anything I said sounded off, and no hard feelings Kreseth, I may be a Bst but I have no animosity here. I will let you guys return to the topic thsi started as, whatever that was hehe.

[cougerofeq]

Give it a year or 2 - most classes will want them nerfed by them - same life cycle we are in.

Anyone know what the next phase is - im tired of the nerf calls etc?

[cougerofeq]

Give it a year or 2 - most classes will want them nerfed by then - same life cycle we are in.

Anyone know what the next phase is - im tired of the nerf calls etc?

[Lorathir]

Anyone know what the next phase is - im tired of the nerf calls etc?

Yes. Morons of Norrath (the whiners Trade Union) have sheduled a "Cleric bash Weekend" that commences Friday the 24th. They hope to succesfully petition for the complete removal of all Cleric heals. Reason being it's not fair on classes who can't heal. They've parsed it and have proof. Honest, they have graphs and Venn diagrams, all coloured in. For more information scan all the EQ class boards. Members of MoN are real easy to spot - send them a PM headed "I'm a f****** loser too" and explain your interest.

Additionally there will be a whole week where anyone caught casting slow or mez will be lagged out of the game by spam tells, and use of weapons and spells will be considered a 'sploit. Kick is instead to be used. If you haven't got kick, you're to kill the mobs with a combination of parody and sarcasm. If you do have kick, make sure to remove any sturdy footware. Slippers are ok. This will balance all the classes and solve all the problems by making everyone gimped - unless someone is particualrly liberal with the use of flippancy. People caught quad kiting using flippancy will be reported.