Well... if this needs to go in another section im sorry... sort of a rant.. but not as graphical as I want to make it. SoE just makes me sick sometimes.
With Shamans leaving the game by the dozens... will beastlords be able to bear the burden of raid slowing by themselves?
Will we get disease slow, now that SoE has killed off the shaman class?
If your wondering how SoE killed off the shaman...
How bout given beastlords everything they wanted... no offense to us... and not listening to the shamans at all.
Shamans are getting the shaft royally in the next patch, and SoE acts like its nothing.
Monks already complain about their lack of dps compared to Rogues who are infinitely more powerful than any melee class in the game atm. Now shamans have been the same way for 6 months or more
So soe does "CLASS REINVISIONING" and.. ooo well lets give you a new slow.. like you needed one.
Oh, we're not done yet, we noticed you liked spirit of the Leopard so much and its so popular in groups and makes you wanted again in groups.. Lets hit that with the nerf bat YEAH!
Leopard destroyed.
Ok we're gonna increase beastlord and ranger heals almost 100%, gonna give beastlords a resist check slow, Druids will still have 4k CHeals. However, youll still sit there with your measely 1800 quick heal.. the best you can do.
Druids and Clerics both make your quick heal laughable.
And now we're gonna make a NON Healing classes's heals so close to yours that he can theoritically replace you.
So What do shamans have that we dont have now
Disease Slow(only really useful for raiding)
Malo(with the new resist check slow for bsts, and even without it, not really useful except for raids)
Q line(nice... but clerics get the same thing, and its still not as great as actually having a real heal)
powerful dots(possibly pass the bstlord in dps, but doubtful)
Leopard(30sec or 1min reuse! Great! I can now put it on ONE person, maybe TWO.... OH nerfed on pets so now its not great dps on them too... well dang.. ill just delete it, something which most shamans have said theyd do)
Now lets see...
Do I want the shaman or the beastlord for my group.
The beastlord represents 1 powerful offtank and 1 weak offtank, more dps than the shaman.
The shaman can heal so slightly better than the beastlord that I wouldnt consider it.
I think I'll take the beastlord...
/Love you SoE
Im gonna love to try slowly a 100% MR mob on a raid with Shammies all gone from the game.
(SoE will respond later: But shamans have multiple uses still, they are very powerful on raids and have not lost any functionality there)
Yeah but you destroyed their grouping ability and any hope of ever getting a group for the rest of their lives.
Your server must be alot different from mine. I'll pull up /lfg list and see 3-4 Bst's on it. If i see a shammy on, it'll probably be gone by the time the button refreshes. I haven't seen anyone that likes Bst buffs in groups. Most will either load up their own and buff the group, or ask a guildy/friend to stop by.
I'm pretty sure i saw that new heal costing around 500 mana a pop. That means i'll be able to cast it about 10 times before i'm oom. Sooo, i'll be good for one CH on the tank. I won't be advertising myself as a back-up healer anytime soon i don't think.
Have to say that shammy spell did rock on my pet. Probably a little over-powered but still was fun seeing those procs go through hehe. Wish they wouldn't lower the proc rate.
There is still a lot of feeback going on with the spells on Test, and I would expect some changes based on that.
Ranger and beastlord heals were increased 70%, not 100%.
Even if shamans never slowed on raids, enchanters would take over the "primary slower" role, not beastlords. 5% makes a big difference on mobs that hit for 1000s. Chanters would also debuff with cripple-type buffs, and mages would take over resist debuffing, along with necros who would take over poison/disease debuffing. Clerics and druids would take over curing, with an assist from paladins.
They included shaman heals in the re-envisioning, although they haven't gotten around to it yet. That doesn't mean they aren't going to. They just said that they were having problems because they needed to factor slow into the equation (which is a bit of a fallacy, since clerics and druids heal against slowed mobs in groups just about as often as shamans do, and both of those classes have damage shields which are actually more effective against unslowed mobs).
well guess I will get another little -
Man break out the violins and start playing hearts and flowers.
The only issue mentioned in the post that is not completely inane is the nerf to Leopard.
Shammy get a greater improvement to there slow that beast and Chanters, Clerics SHOULD out heal Shammy with one hand behind there back and 3 fingers missing off the free hand, Beast should out DPS Shammy as they are both mixed-classes with may uses and Shammy are the better buffer and healer, Beast and Rangers still cant heal 1/2 as well as Shammy and with Canni on Shammys its not even close.
Leopard is a tough pill to take but after seeing the parsed damage that one shammy was able to produce with it on raids, and the fact that when taking that into account the Shammy did double the DPS of anyone on the raid.....well lets just say I am not stunned that its getting reigned in.
Quote from: Vidyne on April 07, 2005, 04:33:50 PM
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You have an amazingly skewed and highly inaccuracte perception of other classes, their roles, and their current spells, sir.
It is way to early to be knee jerking over this. For one it is on "test", that means it may or may not make it to the live servers as is. Secondly, this is the first round of changes not the last. Maybe they will take this away from shammies and give them something spectacular to replace it. Try and reign in the bad attitude and wait a bit to see how things shake out.
sorry for ruffling feathers, just had about 5 shaman friends that will probably quit after this goes live.
Beasts would take over slowing(slowing on inc) on raids because enchanters need to mezz mobs first, worry about slowing later.
Shamans should be outhealed by clerics, but Druids get 2400 heal, compared to shaman's 1800, and also get a 4800 cheal which shamans dont get.. Many shamans have said they can not play role of main healer in group, they are backup healers.
Now as backup healers, whats the difference between 1100 and 1800? 700 yes... but is that enough to bring a shaman over a beast... in most groups. When beasts do more dps.
That was all I was saying, sorry for not being more clear
Quote from: Vidyne on April 07, 2005, 04:33:50 PM
Druids and Clerics both make your quick heal laughable.
And now we're gonna make a NON Healing classes's heals so close to yours that he can theoritically replace you.
Kudos to you. You've brightened a rather dim day. That's some funny shit there.
In my experience Beasts (myself) quite often slow raid trash often anyways. And it is this trash which our new slow is meant to help us on. The new slow we get isn't going to automatically make shamans redundant when i'm raiding in Qvic, Time or Riftseekers, its going to allow me to fulfill the reason we get groups in those zones. And allow us to just relieve a bit of pressure off the other slowers. If you have shamans quitting over a fix then in my opinion they should go, shamans with OoW got a much needed boost to their groupability. OoW buffs are amongst the most wanted shamans have ever been with these, group FA, overstat buffs, avoidance and dmg mods. Beasts got a new focus............
With the fact that druids out heal shamans, why shouldn't they? They don't have the other functions of a shaman.....Druids can snare, nuke, semi-dot and heal. Well Shamans have better dot's, better HoT's and a semi-decent quick heal. Again i've never seen a cleric play a main healer in a group and I wouldn't really expect them to either. Not sure but doesn't the new "stance" apply to shamans as well so they can either be offensive, defensive or neutral. Increasing healing power, DPS or just being the "standard" shaman.
I often prefer seeing a shaman in my group over a druid. With HoT's and insta heals I feel they're more equipped to back up heal. More often than not in groups i'm in an extra healer isn't for the tank but for other group members that have got riposted, over agro'd or got hit by an AE.
I honestly don't see how a fix to 1 spell line is a nerf........seeing your pet cast that spell upwards of once a second is a bit too much of a DPS increase. And not entirely sure where the comment "How bout given beastlords everything they wanted" can come from.
This re-envisionment isn't about giving everyone what they want. Its about allowing a class to function as the game originally intends and as far as I'm concerned Shamans have only gained from OoW and this upcoming update.
Just my 2pence.......
/shrug.. its not the proc rate on pet nerf im talking about..
Its the 1min recast time they stuck on a 1min duration spell supposedly on test(Leopard)
and no one seemed to get the idea here...
Shamans will be less preferred for exp groups, as beasts gain favor in exp groups with new healing(this was the comment made to me by multiple shamans, who i tried to comfort)
With shamans less preferred for groups, they will not progress as much as beasts, get disheartened, and quit the game.
Eventually that will lead to very few shamans playing EQ.
That was the point they/me were trying to make.
I still think they do ok...
Id like to see Leopard returned to no recast time
Id like to see a bump in their final(Non-Raiding) 1800 quick heal, maybe 2400 instead.
Or give them some sort of heal thats more than 2k... a 3200 cheal 8 sec cast?
Thats just the point im trying to make... shamans are complaining/afraid that they will be replaced by beasts in exp groups alot more with these changes. And if shamans are replaced in exp groups.. you will see them die out.... and the place you truely absolutely need shamans... mobs who need disease slow.. places where malo and their other unique talents are useful... you wont have them.
Guess I sorted posted with wrong wording in the original post and gave folks the wrong idea, and I'm sorry for that.
Just wanted to know what would happen if Shamans were gone.
Last week I was LFG for 5 hours, and never once saw a Shaman LFG in that time. Did see 5 beastlies at one time LFG.
So shove your whinning up your ass, "poor shamans :cry:" cry me a river. We need to be more affective in groups :|.
So am I understanding that someone thinks we Beasts will be preferred OVER a shaman now? Personally, I see us as being one of those jack-of-all-trades, master-of-none types. Sure, we get a new slow; 65% with a -30 resist, compared to the shaman's 75% with a -60. We get to heal now for 1165 base, single-cast, fairly big mana drain; you think that somehow compares to a shaman's Yoppa's Mending, with a base of 1785, or their Spiritual Serenity, healing 820/tick x 4 ticks =3280? Our single-target Infusion of Spirit and Stamina somehow stacks up to their Wunshi's/Fortitude? And where do we have anything like Spirit of Sense, or Spirit of Might? Anyone for a SoW versus a Bih'li? Want some Ferine Avatar? Need that mob rooted? Oh, that's right, we don't have those.
Come on.
We can never replace shaman, just like they can't replace us. Can either of us fill some of the other's abilities? Sure. But trying to compare the two classes is really an apples and oranges scenario.
Oh, and btw, according to Lucy, at http://lucy.allakhazam.com/spellhistory.html?id=6735&source=Test, it's a 30-second recast time.
I think your friends need to grow up a little, and look at the game as a whole and not just their little corner of it. I have seen the Shammy complaint list and it is mostly about what other classes have similar to theirs no matter how diminished it really is.
Beastlord/Chanter resist modified slow--- These classes have a really hard time slowing in new higher level content, Chanters are an aggro nightmare when they are chain casting spells. Beasts sometimes take too long to do the job. Shammies are still better at it and they have heals and buffs that neither competing class have. The complaint is....They will no longer be needed, but maybe more people will actually explore more content because they do not have to wait for a Shammy to go LFG. We would all love to jump on LFG tool and be sent a tell in a few mins to go to the best places the gamne has to offer because our class can be trusted to do the job.
Chanter reduced hate Tash----- See above please.
Paladin/Beast/Ranger improved heals----I am pretty sure Paladins are not going to stop tanking to be MH for groups. As previously stated with Shammy regen and sheer healing power no Beast/Ranger is gonna compete with that. Plus they have not seen everything planned for the class, why bitch about what has not even been finished yet?
Leopard nerf----Previous post said it all. The spell came out and everyone loved it. In the end it just put too much power into one classes hands. It is hard to taste real power and have it taken away from you. Their reaction is why it is being taken away in the first place. It will be taken to full advantage and the game will be ruined.
I hope the Shammy community wakes up. This game needs them. They got a great boost in the last two expansions and now they got one spell touched they scream boody murder and ignore the fact that they are not the only ones getting nerfed because of that spell.
All the Pet classes got nerfed to make pets proc less. This sucks because alot of our procs have effects attched to them like stun or snare. But as usual it is all about what one class wants and not caring what the effects are to the rest of the gaming community..
What doombringer said. Nicely put dude.
QuoteShamans will be less preferred for exp groups, as beasts gain favor in exp groups with new healing
Any groups who chooses a beastlord over a shaman because of a beastlords healing ability needs to get their head checked.
I will agree that the Nerfbat (tm) struck hard with the panther/leopard lines but something had to be done. 30sec/1min recast is going overboard but i think a 10-15 sec recast would be more in line. Having zero recast was nice for the power boosts but nobody can honestly say it wasnt overpowered.
Shamans aren't as hard up as they lead you to believe. The have best slow in game, some of the best stat/hp buffs in game, third ranked healer, their HoTs are amazing, they have the best self mana regen in game so are less hampered by their mana pools which makes them powerful, their dots are amazing and when stacked can produce pretty good dps numbers. Hell, they can solo better than us in a lot of places, so that alone says something about their abilities.
To anybody quitting the game over these changes, all i have to say to them is "Don't let the door hit you on the way out". Whiners like them make the game worse so i won't shed any tears.
Shamans were the number one most desired class in PoP (and Luclin before), when slow became "overpowered" because SOE started to leverage mob power vs PCs. Biggest dumb move ever, btw.
When thinking about their healing versus rangers and beastlords, you have to remember that shamans get the advantage of specialisation, the best mana regen in the game by far, and AAs tuned for mana efficiency. Shaman HoTs make cleric ones look feeble, they really are that much better - even though the overall healing is lacking.
What I could never really figure was exactly why shamans felt so bad over GoD. I mean, they got a massive boost in Omens, which was very soon after, and very few people bothered with GoD. It seemed like a massive overreaction, when all I could see was that their slow DPS impacted soloing. Slow mitigation didn't mean that much, as shaman slow was still much better with more options, and cast reasonably fast, much faster than enchanters, for instance. However, there really is no smoke without fire, and I'm prepared to admit that my understanding is lacking.
The recast timer is way over the top, I agree with everyone there. But, as someone said above, the nature of the class envy whining, and various board trolling, does tend to make me lose any sympathy that I might have.
I'm with agreeing on the whining. I have a shaman friend and since OoW and DoN, every time he logs on someone always sends him a tell to join a group. Where I'll have my LFG up for the time frame I'm on sometimes unless I feel like solo'n.
He even said that he though the Leopard/panther spell was a bit overpowered and was expecting a nerf to it soon. So that tells me that some of the shamans around are aware of what they have and what they can still do.
He thought the nerf to pet procs was a bad idea and in fact he pretty much thought it should be player only spell and never be able to land on a pet. But its something we will probably have to overcome like everything else we have since Luclin.
But like it was brought up, its still in test and if there really that worried bout it. Tell them to log in and help the dev's out. Thats what they want. Not wait for patch day and everyone bitch and complain to no end cause they didnt have enough feedback due to lack of testers.
Panther was very overpowered, there was no way on earth that it was not going to get changed. Pets doing 230dps just from the proc and melee doing 100 dps and being able to cast it on 10-12 people/pets was just completely trivialising some encounters.
The recast timer sucks as did the way it was (not) presented yeah, but crying and quitting over giving constructive feedback has never worked.
They fixed the pet problem, fine. They should have made the single target buff group only, or a group buff, or put the recast at 10 secs or something... not a 30 second recast because that's no fun.
Quitting over one spell seems very over the top to me especially when you look at all the things a shaman CAN do. I doubt many will actually do so.
Khayden
So lets get this straight shall we.
Shaman comes whining to a BST forum that they dont like the changes SOE are making.
BST community is meant to do what exactly?
Go re-read Brenlo's comments and go complain to your class correspondant and your class collegues and your class Sony boards and perhaps something might change.
Posting here will get you absolutely no where at all. We can not do anything.
Oh wait I forgot BST's just got the new AA "Make everything better"
QuoteOh wait I forgot BST's just got the new AA "Make everything better"
Cost: 50 pts
Description: Since Luclin, we at SOE feel that beastlords in general should be the commanding class for all to be representative. In that, we really listen but only to beastlords and therefore, any and all complaints must go through them before they make the purpose to change to us.
:evil:
Quote from: jitathab on April 08, 2005, 12:44:20 PM
So lets get this straight shall we.
Shaman comes whining to a BST forum that they dont like the changes SOE are making.
Actually I can't see a single post from a shaman in this thread. It was started by a bst with over 300 posts. While I don't agree with him calling him a shaman is hardly called for :evil:
Khayden
PS. Tell "all the Shammen" that are leaving the game I will gladly take any level 70 shamman accounts. My cleric could stand to just be my personal rez stick.
As a side note, the most active developer participation in a thread on the official SOE Ever Quest forums in quite some time, all has to do with the upcoming changes to the shaman proc buff. Though I don't have a direct link, I'm sure someone else can provide it.
Please note that he is actively soliciting comments and suggestions about the needed changes, and is responding to them in a very prompt and open manner.
Anyone that complains about it, regardless of class, certainly never had an opportunity to use it to it's full potential.
As for the other complaints regarding the beastlord vs. shaman comparison, they are largely unfounded. Once all of the mergers are completed, it'll never be the shaman that take up space on the LFG tool, it'll be the beastlords, as it always has been.
I especially liked the one which suggested we would ever be invited to a group because of our healing. Put a smile on my face.
Quote from: Vidyne on April 07, 2005, 04:33:50 PM
Monks alreadyalways complain.
There, you have some truth in your rant.
Berserkers didnt get much of a revamp with the class envisioning process (END adjustements and dps at mid levels). So just chill and wait to see what the changes are actually going to be before you jump to conclusions. Ive been playing eq since pre-kunark and there has ALWAYS been major issues with most of the classes most of the time. Just chill or stop paying for your acct until they do the changes then evaluate if you want to keep giving SoE your patronage, simple as that.
well hmm OK so how in the HELL am i supposed to take of the slowing duties on inc lets see i get NO i say again NO AAS or items to reduce aggro from my spells and you want me to slow raid mobs???? Where i can slow the group named in MPG and if I'm crazy i can try and slow some in Qvic but i guarantee you that if i start popping my slows on inc mobs my guild will go totally apeshit. I have done this before when people said that the shamans weren't slowing and the only thing i ever got for my troubles was a quick trip to bind and a chewing out from raid leaders.
I am in the top 6 in every category for Saryrn beastlords atm--dunno it that will change when MM combines with us . Currently i raid with 12.3k hp and around 8.7k mana which means nothing, if a beast is tossing slows around in a raid they better make sure that the clerics like them a lot because they are going to be getting rezzed a ton. Maybe beasts in lower end guilds can do some raid slowing but i have seen nothing in Time tiers4 and 5 higher end GoD and especially in the new OOW raids that I'm even interested in trying to slow
also as others stated come to Saryrn and try to find a shaman that has their lfg up for more than 5-10 minutes without getting several invites the only times i see shaman lfg is when they want a specific area for xp
i was main slower in a non-disclosed part of anguish (dont wanna leave tidbits =p). we had 4 shamans, 3 chanters. yet, i was the one doing the slowing. well guess what, the new slow will help me perform that job to the very best. cause i was getting strings of 4-5 resists each times. hm.. im a bst in anguish and i slow. i dunno, maybe im just crazy?
I slowed Quarm today. Well, the shaman were trying too, I just did it first.
Quote from: Urim on April 08, 2005, 05:49:57 AM
Any groups who chooses a beastlord over a shaman because of a beastlords healing ability needs to get their head checked.
SHHH dammit!
I have carefully manipulated large numbers of people into being ignorant that we beastlord even HAD a heal spell.
Ironcelt dont heal dammit.
BC
I slow in RSS, Ikkinz, Time, in fact everywhere I go. Raid mobs, group named, trash. I've never found it to be suicidal, slow aggro is what protective spirit is for.
Every single raid every beastlord in my guild is stood next to a tank and slowing everything they tag, that way the poor little chanters and shammies don't get stomped on.
I die because of slowing occasionally (like once every couple of raids) when I forget I've just used the disc and spam slow something but in the main it's not that hazardous. Maybe in Qvic+ it changes but to be honest I suspect with the extra gear and the disc you can carry on doing the same.
Khayden
Thanks Khayen I had missed that bit, its just ive seen this exact style of post on EQforums with same arguments so it sounded to shamanistic.
This has been said a ton, but next time your online do a /who all shaman lfg
No cross of the ones standing in line for raid invites....
On TP it is VERY rare to see shaman lfg for any extended time periods, where as Beastlords stand around for hours ;(
I also slow at every raid I attend. I generally only get them to land on trash adds during encounters, but it dosen't mean I don't try on the boss mobs. This applies to all of our current targets, from Txevu through higher end OoW (including Anguish).
If you've got a slow, use it. Don't know how y'all manage to land slows on stuff like Quarm, King and Queen in Riftseekers, etc, though. Mine do nothing but bounce. Same with the prince and princess adds, as well, as an example.
Can't wait for the new modified slow. I'll be a happy troll.
As things currently stand, our slow has the SAME chance of landing as the shaman Turgur's or the enchanters Forlorn Deeds. (The shaman Balance of Nihil has a small edge, but I don't know many who have it. And of course only shaman have a disease slow.) Shaman and Enchanters are better slowers in groups because they can debuff (malo/tash) before slowing. But in raid situations, we simply make use of the shamans malo to land our slow.
On serious names, usually nobody slows until the tank has engaged. If you screw up positioning, you deserve to be yelled at. Hold off a few seconds to let the shaman get their malo started, and watch the messages so you know if someone else has landed slow.
On trash, we can slow on pull anything we can safely tank for a few seconds. Shamen follow the same rules of course...they just can't tank as well. Remember, once your pet is on it, you can usually back out to help the tank establish aggro. But its up to us to adjust our habits to the ability of the tank...we are perfectly capable of holding aggro over many warriors if we don't show some restraint.
not trying to get into a peeing contest, but trash mobs we pull in Inktu`ta hit for about 900+quad even with 1860+ ac so if you steal aggro from tanks they have no chance to get it back and as far as slows landing as much as shaman and enc , i wish that was the case for me maybe im doing something wrong but if i get one resist i have pulled aggro away from the tanks on mob inc and then bang, im dead before clerics can switch from the 14-16k hp raid tank to the 12k beast for heals. I talked to shamans in guild while we raided time and they said that they are a bit upset with chanters getting a new slow spell and they didnt in god but that was about it from them they are much more pissed about the panther nerf atm than about any slow spell from what we discussed.
All i can say is that im in a Txevu flagged guild and we have 7 main shamans and 9 main chanters raiding, most raids its 3-5 sham and about the same encs so there is no reason or desire for me to replace a nasty dot or big nuke with a slow that is gonna bounce over 75% of the time and get me killed. If you like slowing then by all means go ahead i just dont consider it to be productive unless your tanks can overwrite your aggro in a hurry the bigger mobs are gonna thrash you so fast it isnt funny
You're on a taller hill than me, so no way I could win that peeing contest. My guild is working on getting people flagged for Qvic, now that we've conquered Time. Maybe in a few months.
But you said something else intriguing. Enchanters got a new slow in GoD? I know shamans got one (Balance of the Nihil), but I thought enchanters got another mez (Bliss of the Nihil). Did I miss something?
All this pissing and moaning is completely unfounded as everyone has clearly pointed out, Leopard was WAY overpowered the way it was, unfortunately because of that spell which will now almost never be cast on my pet, my pet gets his proc rate altered to compensate for the slight possibility he may ever get it again. If anyone has a right to moan it would be Pet classes.
Shamans got outstanding spell upgrades in GOD/OoW, meanwhile Beast got nothing upgrade wise but Pets. Most of our spells were actually downgrades.
Now to try and make up for getting screwed between 65-70 we are getting a heal equal to a rangers which we were supposed to have anyway, and at lvl 69 you get Growl of Panther IF you get DON and do the progression which there is no reason not to as its rather easy.
Complaining because we (bst) are getting a slightly less resisted slow which is still nowhere near as nice as a Shamans slow is whining just to hear yourself whine.
It also shows little to no comprehension of how this can help your class instead of being something to cry about.
I always "preslow" virtually every damn mob that comes in so that Shamans & Enchanters & Healers get less aggro and when tanks taunt it take my aggro thus giving them more solid control quicker, get a few secs less full bore damage taken, plus it raises me on the mobs hate list so that on the chance a softbody gets aggro I have a better chance to get aggro off of them quicker, this helps both Shamans/Enchanters/& healers do their job more efficiently.
Why cry about a beast getting a better heal that we were supposed to get anyway? Especially since it is nowhere close to as good as Shamans heals 1800hp heal with chance of 3600hp crits along with the best HOT in the game, (Add focus & AAs for both of those and you have rather decent healing) and they are crying because a Beast gets a 1165hp heal? a better heal that BTW might just SAVE your whining ass in a pinch?
Need to get a grip, this is one of the first and only times in the 6 years Iv been playing this game where I can safely agree that Yep that's just WAY overpowering and needs to be adjusted, (Leopard).
Shamans have absolutely ZERO to complain about, if any leave because of this then good riddance.
QuoteSpirit of the Panther and Spirit of the Leopard have been modified. NPCs were able to trigger the effects of these spells at a much higher rate then players. The rate of NPCs triggering these effects has been lowered to match PCs. Additionally, the base damage of the effect has been lowered, and the spell will now only land on PCs and pets that are a part of your group.
Unless Im reading/understanding this wrong seems to me that they have left the casting time the same just lowered the poc rate on pets and & lowered the base damage, plus can only cast on group members.
Now there is really nothing to moan about.
"Unless Im reading/understanding this wrong seems to me that they have left the casting time the same just lowered the poc rate on pets and & lowered the base damage, plus can only cast on group members.
Now there is really nothing to moan about."
Um, wow, what would it take for you to complain? They reduced the damage 25%, cut the pet dmg 50-75% and made it basically useless on raids. How bout if they reduced BL nukes 25%, cut your pet proc dmg in half and made Paragon Group only? Thats about the equivalent of what they did to this spell. Yeah the pet proc rate was too high and the DPS potential was probably a bit much, but they went overboard with the nerf-factor.
the spell was overpowered. yes. now, it's a pure piece of ****. they triple nerfed the spell, as grim said, made it totally useless on raids (how often do you see a pure dps group on AE heavy raids?), increased the recast so much that it's barely castable on more then 2 persons if you dont have focii extensions/AAs, pets now dont make the spell any good...
Just to clear things up, our pets should be proc'ing the same as always. They just moved the proc rate from being an innate ability of the pet (and thus affecting all proc spells) to being part of the our Pet Proc Buff. All of our "Spirit of _____" got this line added to them:
04-12 13:05 Changed Base2_1 from 0 to 150
Which should in theory keep them doing their normal procs as often as they always have before the change.
I for one, however, will be checking some parses to make sure since with this big of a change it would be easy for them to have overlooked something....
I still think they shouldve just made it PC only. No pets. Then really who are you nerfing?.
QuoteBeasts would take over slowing(slowing on inc) on raids because enchanters need to mezz mobs first, worry about slowing later
Not with MY dps I wont be. Are you kidding? If I go full boar on a mob as it is, I stand a darn good chance of yanking agro off of a tank. If I slow, its not only guaranteed that I will, but I better hope to God I slow at a time when something like Bazu Bellow is up and refreshed so the tanks got a chance to yank it off me again.
A shaman makes an amazing partner to a beastlord, we dont replace them. Atk buffs, hp buffs that are better than mine, better slows .. it free's up a lot in my profile that I can then use to put out even MORE dps. A shaman has to work hard to have fun, but one that is willing to and can is truely an amazing shaman to play with - and I have known some pretty spirited shaman. I think *some* shaman quit their mains simply because they are bored with them, and if you arent agressive with how you play one, I can definitely see how that would be boring.