if all normal disc/spells were upgraded
which ones would you get rid of?
and what new spell/disc would you like added?
which ones would you get rid of?
Fero - time to die, officially
and what new spell/disc would you like added?
I'll go on a bit of an aside to explain this one. In SoD we got 3 different heals for our warders, in addition to the melee rune from SoF that wasn't upgraded. So in theory we could have 4/9 spell gems allocated for warder survivability. This isn't feasible for almost any situation. I'll keep the rune separate, but I would love just one all purpose heal. Minax's mending was a great idea, the actual numbers on it are just off though. 5 second base casting time is too long for any spell, 1minute is too long to wait for the "big heal" -its 1:54 with AAs and 35% beneficial extension, the 800HoT won't keep him up against anything waiting almost 2minutes for the puny 5.5k heal to hit.
I'll use numbers I'd like to see and I feel are reasonable for the spell I'm proposing which is a hybrid between minax's on steroids+promised lines. Up the mana cost by about three times the current level (563*3=1689) which isn't outrageous. Give it a base cast time of 1.5 seconds. For the heals, I'll say give the HoT the 2.5x boost for ~2000 a tick and put the promised trigger more in line with our current promised spell. Put the base Duration at 18seconds(make it sort of hybrid with our current promised line, the one whored out to mages) so even with AAs and Worn Focus it will be ~30seconds to fire the big one.
An alternative way would to do a Companion's blessing like HoT for the 18 seconds(or more with focus), start at say 1400...1800....2400...3000...3800, that way those with Spell casting reinforcement AAs and Beneficial Duration focus aren't penalized (by delaying the big heal, the whole reason for casting the spell). I prefer this combination, its less total healing than the current 800/tick for 19 ticks it just comes much quicker which we pay for with higher mana cost, I could see the numbers I listed as somewhat "unbalanced" but this is a wish list after all.
I would like a HoT of some kind, targetable or self+pet only I don't care as long as it doesn't suck or take 3years to cast. This could be a potential to upgrade the Growl line. Since the Damage mod has stagnated there is no reason to use the newer spell versions for a higher mana cost. If the HoT was a more appreciable compared to mob dps, for current standards say 600-1000(no idea where to draw the line), then that coupled with the damage mod and +max health boost would make the newer versions worth casting.
If the growl upgrade is unreasonable a regular HoT as a new spell would make me happy as well.
Endurance Canni, since we're the hybrids of Shamans and have terrible endurance regen this is somewhat reasonable. Something like 500hp for 200endurance. I'm trying to think of anything that could get us back in the fray(with end, not just mana) on raids faster after death.
Empathic Fury upgrade, even if the only upgrade is that the warder is no longer targeted upon activation.
I would like to say, great work on making DoTs instacast they finally got a place in my lineup again. Without the loss of melee from these they're viable again, I would like to see a power bump in them though (larger than the standard 15% or w/e it is). I'll let others think of good ideas, my only suggestion is make the cast times short short short. We've proved we don't like long casting times (Pre-SoD dots, Minax's mending, Pet Salve line) so whatever we get I hope the cast times are .5 seconds or at max 1.5(like Sha's legacy/Yowl).
Edit: Fixed some numbers, though probably still some wrong.
Taste of Blood---get rid of this and refund the aa's or change it into something useful
-Stop the fero line.
-Up heal spells, shammy and druids got a big bump this expansion it's time for hybrids to get a similar increase in healing power. Our current heal wont heal one max hit from standard SoD XP mobs.
-Debuffs, line was dropped long ago and its time to start it up again.
-Stat overcap buffs, stat buff line died once everone hit the stat cap with bazaar gear.
-A longer duration slow. It was lowered to 1min when the resist check was added and it is time to bump up duration.
Keep fero but make it an aa grp version or aura somthing like that
*Update debuffs/heals
*Fix/can Ferocity line
*Upgrade GBA to 40 or 45%
*Take Sha's Legacy, and update it w/ the duration of Sha's Revenge (whatever lvl65 slow is). Non-shared timers would be nice too.
*Double base duration on the group haste recourse from pet haste spell.
That's all for now.
Things I would remove: Ferocity, Minax's Mending, Spellbreakers Aegis, Steeltrap Jaws, Growl "upgrades", the haste recourse on pet haste, the hate on rake.
Things I would enjoy: 2 hit prism skin, the warder not being worthless, iksar warder not freezing when it casts a spell, a resist mod on all the DoT's.
New things I would enjoy having: An aura that combines ferocity with 50% haste, kill 2 birds with one stone. The werewolf pet being the same model as the races warder instead of a werewolf.
get rid of fero - make it into aura please
no growl upgrades please
I'd like a new, longer empathic fury.
Don't really use mnax either.
One thing I would really, really love would be that our pet heal gets linked to us. I use my pet patch mainly to cure my pet - it would be awesome if we could cure ourselves and heal ourselves with it as well.
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I'd like a pet haste that DOESN'T recourse on the group!
And a group haste spell that isn't a pet spell first!
Kill Fero.....dev's have been saying for years they'd look at this and they haven't and it takes focus away from other things we could be getting.
Leave Growl alone, its stagnated and is more for epeen competitions to boost hp's.
New disc that doesn't necessarily require the pet, since pet survivabilty is suspect it would be nice not to be reliant to have one that is not pet required so an upgrade to our original 60 disc.
New heals, either with a cure component or larger heal numbers. Our heals are falling behind rangers who have the heal component and there isn't a reason we should get this.
Dots to have an inbuilt resist mod remain insta cast.
Haste.................group haste with 1 hour duration, not a pet recourse. Its been years where potion haste is better, time for SoE to pull there finger out and fix it.
Debuffs along malo/cripple line, they started the ball rolling with roar, could make it a new spell line.
I agree with most of what has been posted to date.
Other than scrapping Growl 'upgrades' completely, maybe they can increase the functionality of the line - and that can be the upgrade.
Remove the 'auto targeting' of the our warder on cast and make the cast time instant or 0.5 sec or less. This would make the line's ugprades worth using over the original due to the convenience of not re-assisting our warder and not losing damage due to the 1.5sec cast time. Ideally, I would like to see even our swarm pet cast times reduced below 1sec for future ugprades to the line.
Increasing the usability of our existing tools is something that I largely see as untapped areas for beneficial enhancements.
As mentioned, moving some core spells (that will never be upgraded) aka Sha's, over to an equivalent AA would be pretty handy also. I bot a shaman some of the time, and the AA version of MalX and Turgurs were a welcome addition to them.
*Drop fero, make it into an aura or a group buff
*Put a cure component into our single target heal
*A dps disc that doesn't target our warders
*A haste that lasts longer then sub 20min (not a pet recourse)
*Debuff line upgrade malo/cripple would be nice (maybe a scent line or something along those lines for poison / disease debuff) whats a necro anymore ~
*GBA upgraded to be more useful
*Third spire that isn't blocked by shaman focus so it was actually something to get and use not soloing after your shaman buffs fade
*Taste of blood = worthless (if it was an extra proc or something would be nice but it never works)
People actually mem pet heals for a raid line up?? Waste of DPS to cast em. The warder has 2 uses on raids, it enables us to use empathic fury and growl, otherwise its DPS contributes less then 10% of our overall DPS. Delink those 2 abilities from our pet and dont waste our time with upgrading pet heals ever again.
Quote from: Rabekiz on March 06, 2009, 11:45:52 PM
People actually mem pet heals for a raid line up?? Waste of DPS to cast em. The warder has 2 uses on raids, it enables us to use empathic fury and growl, otherwise its DPS contributes less then 10% of our overall DPS. Delink those 2 abilities from our pet and dont waste our time with upgrading pet heals ever again.
Most retarded thing i have ever heard, this is why we have a delayed heal dosnt waste any dps and we have are pet heal aa!(Are pet DPS is better then you think 10% is alot)
He's speaking from ignorance, I think. With an attitude like that, he's probably avoided his pet so much he's had no reason to figure out the Promised Mending line is a combat-practical pet heal.
/em chuckles
A little anecdote:
We didn't use pets on krond for awhile because some people didnt understand the event (we had been in crystallos for sometime before we were allowed to use them again [mostly do to some edu-mah-cation on my part I like to think]). Anyhow, the night we were allowed to use pets again on him we had one of our fastest kills on him that I had seen up to that point.
If you add up all the dps from all the pets (beast, mage necro etc) and the fact that your pet recieves group spells cast on you which can enhance its dps then you end up with some good numbers that would be STUPID to drop.
1. Fero needs to become group aura/buff. If it is not made groupable, remove it entirely from upgrades because it is becoming more and more useless.
2. Upgrade our Cripple line. ITS there, IT needs to be used now to help us out.
3. Upgrade our Heals. OUR personal heals, we need to see 4k minimum.
4. Upgrade our Slow. Give us a SELF-CASTING slow, not a pet proc slow, that would be termed an upgrade to our old one (and I mean old by our lvl 65 slow)
5. Upgrade our Focus Line. Give us a STAT-OVER Cap to be more useful than in its current form.
6. Give us a new spell line. Give more AC and attack and like a little hp. To help staunch the tears from our fero line either gone or made into an aura.
7. Upgrade our Offensive Disc-That or give us a new one that we can use. I look at so many other classes that have 3-4 Offensive discs and really, we only have like 2? maybe 3 if you include GBA which needs upgraded.
8. A new Deaggro spell. We can generate so much aggro, but sometimes we want somebody else to tank, give us an 18 sec spell or even AA to help us lose aggro so whomever is needed to tank is tanking.
That is all I can think of right now. Half of that will need to be done at the very least to help beastlords out. Unless they come up with something new that we never thought of.
Not sure when the deadline for this is....Or who the person is who is going to submit them to Sony but I guess I'll add my 2 cents.
Quote from: Tadenea on March 04, 2009, 06:34:47 PM
which ones would you get rid of?
***Ferocity - Sony makes promises that it will be useful. We've parsed it to show that what it does is pathetic except to the min/max raider. They ask us how we want it improved. They then ignore us. Let the line die, or listen to us, those are the only OPTIONS!
***Recouse on our group haste - This should be a seperate spell line. It can replace Ferocity this next expansion. 50% group Haste with a duration of 30 miinutes before extensions? Then we can actually say we can cast a spell better than a potion :-D But then we may put Shaman out of buisness /sarcasm
Quote from: Tadenea on March 04, 2009, 06:34:47 PM
...and what new spell/disc would you like added?
Buffs-
***Infusion of Spirit - Overcap Str, Sta and Dex. We are part shaman we should be able to cast a buff that brings people over the cap when a Shaman isn't available. Not even sure what a Shaman overcaps PC's at but 50-75% of their power seems reasonable when they aren't around.
***Streangth Buff - Druid's and Shaman have received the % increase to damage line (Mammoth Str. and the variouse upgrades).
Rangers and Beastlords should also recieve this line at a lower skill level (of course).
***Stamina - Heroic Stamina in a buff? More overcapped Stamina increase that stacks with "IoS upgrade"?
***Dex Buff - I think this is a spell line thats basically disapeared in the Shaman's spell line up because of their "Focus" line. Mabye bring it back for both of us with a % chance at crit's (Spell and/or Mellee). I remember being told it increases a spells chance to Crit and swings chance to crit. So giving a % increase to do this following the Mammoth Line would be great.
Disc's (New)-
***Defensive Disc - Allowing us to Riptose 75%-100% of the time would be great. Guess it could be put on the same timer as our defensive Disc to prevent abuse but having them unlinked would be better.
***Offensive Disc - A Disc that allows us to Crit(Spell and/or Mellee) more, "Proc" more, and/or something else...That isn't linked to pet!
Spells-
***Cripple - With slow all but dead, we need an suitable upgrade in this expansion
***DeAggro - If we don't get a "pure" deaggro in the next expansion as an AA, a spell/Disc would be great on a 18 sec. refresh timer.
Quote from: Tadenea on March 04, 2009, 06:34:47 PM
if all normal disc/spells were upgraded
I would like to see everything else not discussed above improved to coincide with the ammount of HP's the mobs have(Nukes, DoT's, Warder, ect...) and the DPS they are able to generate(Heals, Buffs, and Defensive Disc's).
Quote from: AbyssalMage on March 30, 2009, 05:56:59 AM
Not sure when the deadline for this is....Or who the person is who is going to submit them to Sony but I guess I'll add my 2 cents.
Deadline is end of March the link to this thread has been posted in CL forums for dev, not really doing sorting or ranking for spell/disc like was done for AA's since there is soo few responses unlike AA requests, so link as been made for dev viewing pleasures