I will be (hopefully) hitting 60 in the next few days so I went to POK library and bought 3 of my level 60 spells (pet slow and something else) all 20p or less.
My trader, later that night sees the very same 3 scrolls being /bazared at 5k 3.5k and 2k respectively.
Makes my blood boil that some people actually buy these and make some scummy people rich on vendor sold scrolls.
GGRRRRRRRRR
/Rant off
Actually, people are just that stupid. Most of those spells used to be drops only and the retards have not done their homework before putting things on the market. Eventually they will figure it out or find some ebay loser that thinks they found the deal of the century.
Aye, I do not like to see it. But I have known at least one instance personally of a person who was overselling a beastlord spell, not realizing that it was vendor bought. I think there are alot of people who come into posession of a spell, and they simply look to see what prices it has in bazaar. They do not check here, or Ala's, or CastersRealm to see if it is vendor bought. So I do not think every instance is immoral.
But to be honest, the only people hurt are people who do not learn their respective classes.
Most of us who participate on message boards are not usually taken in by such scams. I do not know about you, but long ago I picked through every spell on our spell list, determining where/how to get each one. And as soon as I reach a level, I have the NEXT level's spells sitting in my backpack, just in case...
Oh I see there is no EDIT button in Rants, lol...
I also want to add:
I know that most traders are AFK, but an effort should be made to contact the trader and speak with them about it. You would be amazed how accomodating alot of people can really be in this game.
After they know that they are potentially screwing people over, and they still do it: then yes, bring the wrath of Rant on them! :)
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My trader, later that night sees the very same 3 scrolls being /bazared at 5k 3.5k and 2k respectively
Alternatively, you could sent the trader a tell saying you will sell him copies of those three spells for 750pp each. If he laughs at you, he's certainly scamming.
If he accepts, welcome to another moral dilemma. :P
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My trader, later that night sees the very same 3 scrolls being /bazared at 5k 3.5k and 2k respectively.
I do this all the time. I'd sell rations for 9k if I could get away with it.
Honestly, if people are stupid enough to buy them and don't take a few seconds to look up the information for themselves, they deserve what they get.
Had a beastlord the other day, not really friends, I just helped him start his epic. If you read the post I put in the epic forum you would know what I am talking about. Anyways this same guy sends me a tell saying he just bought his level 64 pet. I was like, congrats its a really good pet to have. I asked him how he got it. He said he bought it in the bazaar for 20k. I was like, OMG you got to be kidding me. 20k? I told him to take the spell and selling it back to someone, least try to get what you paid for it. I said give me 1k and I'll get you the spell. Even I felt guilty taking the 1k from him, since the spell is so easy to come by. I get so many specs a week, 5 to 8 at least. I usually give em to people if they are looking for a certain spell. I'll turn it in for a small donation. It dont surpise me that some people will/are that greedy to jack prices. More then likely its someone who dont even have a beastlord.
It seems to me that the 64 pet was the rare spell from Beastlord SPs...I never once got it on a turn-in, even after I ended up buying it (for 6k or so) and then did turn-ins for other Beastlords. I even had a friend of my own that turned in a few SPs for me, and he never got Spirit of Sorsha. So of all the SP spells, I'm not surprised that one was so expensive.
Game on,
Hehe maybe each server is different or I was lucky. Out of the many SP's ive turned in over half were 64 pet. The other half being Rellic.
Specs are not that easy to come by for people in non raiding guilds.
That said, I only had to buy one of my spec spells, and Spirit of Sorsha was a common one for me.
Alot of the spells that I have seen drop are sold on the PoK vendors for some reason. If I got some necro spell off a monster, I am not going to PoK library to see if it is sold there, I would try and sell it in the bazaar.
I guess I got unlucky, that was the only SP spell I had to buy. The Glyph spells are a different story, to this day I've still only ever seen one drop, and that was after I had already bought my 65 spells.
And I don't think SPs are too uncommon if you can get into BoT groups as soon as you hit 62. The Stormriders drop them somewhat often, and usually the groups I'm in consist of mostly 65s that have all their spells already, so there's not much competition between those who actually need the spell. And Beastlords are a class that can certainly get groups in BoT at 62, although I could just be speaking from experience on a small server, where it is rarely crowded and LFG people can expect to get picked up in a decent amount of time. Not sure what it's like on crowded servers.
Game on,
What I dont understand is why do people go so nuts over people overpricing things. If you dont like it at the price its at dont buy it. Simple as that.
I bet these same people dont have a problem buying a 30k spell at 3k though do they? Then its a "well they made the mistake" thing.
Funny how it works like that.
Because overprices are actively trying to scam people. You could see a Camry on the lot priced like a Lamborghini, and even though you don't have to buy it, you realize the guy selling it is trying to cheat people out of their money. Granted they might be dumb people, but do they deserve it?
Quote from: tigerpwzWhat I dont understand is why do people go so nuts over people overpricing things. If you dont like it at the price its at dont buy it. Simple as that.
I bet these same people dont have a problem buying a 30k spell at 3k though do they? Then its a "well they made the mistake" thing.
Funny how it works like that.
Hmmm, I wasnt aware there was a 30k (or even a 3k) VENDOR SOLD spell.
Over pricing is one thing, and i for one think the trade-skills market (silks, acrylia etc) is *ridiculously* over-priced but have no problem with that whatsoever because thats a *player* driven economy.
My main point was that these spells are VENDOR SOLD for under 25pp each not 2-5k.
Blessing of Aegolism for example, dropped only spell, 10k bazaar price is fine, pricey but fine.
To me puting a vendor sold spell for sale in bazaar for say 5k isnt a scam. Stupid yes but not a scam. There is no attempt at deception. The seller isnt saying this is a "rare drop only spell".
As for that Camry example. To be a scam there the seller would have to say you can buy a lamborghini at the price of a Camry and then try to pass off the Camry as a lamborghini. This isnt the case.
Only takes 2 minutes of research to get all the spells and vendors they are sold on. If a person is that lazy then they deserve to overpay for a spell. Makes them a chump yes but they didnt get scammed.
Its no different than the people who sell fuzzlecutter in the bazaar. Always sold over what you can buy it for in EF. Just to a larger extreme.
What good is stupidity in the world if you can't profit from it? LOL
I am proud to say that I am single handedly responsible for destroying the mark up on Yaulp V and Hammer of Judgement on Prexus. People were selling these two for 800 to 1k PP ... scrolls that were bought of a vendor one zone over for 6pp and change. I started selling them on my trader for 7pp each. It's amazing how many people would come by, purchase my entire stock and mark them up ... only to have me resupply at 7pp a few minutes later.
Must start this with a few other class' spells too.
Quote from: HrannSpecs are not that easy to come by for people in non raiding guilds.
That said, I only had to buy one of my spec spells, and Spirit of Sorsha was a common one for me.
I just wanted to point out that if you can group in BoT, HoH or Tactics, Specs are pretty dang common. I usually come out with 2-5 specs a week depending on how often I group in these zones and how good my dice roll.
Heck I even get a shot at an ornate mold/pattern and glyphed runes when we take down names.
Hmm, they must have upped the drop rate on them at some point. I used to spend quite some time in those zones and only saw maybe 1 spec per 3 or 4 hours. An average of 1 in 6 or so would go to me from rolls, meaning 20 hours of mindless grinding = 1 spec (which would probably be a copy anyway hehe).
Maybe it's gotten better since though. To me, 1 hour of xp grinding is very hard though... I can't stands it ;)
Quote from: tigerpwzIts no different than the people who sell fuzzlecutter in the bazaar. Always sold over what you can buy it for in EF. Just to a larger extreme.
The difference is that certain races cannot buy Fuzzlecutter themselves. I don't mind paying for someone to buy something that I don't have the faction to do myself.
Quote from: Zashir SwiftpawQuote from: tigerpwzIts no different than the people who sell fuzzlecutter in the bazaar. Always sold over what you can buy it for in EF. Just to a larger extreme.
The difference is that certain races cannot buy Fuzzlecutter themselves. I don't mind paying for someone to buy something that I don't have the faction to do myself.
Don't entirely disagree, but then again for Fuzzlecutters you could simply make human mule and buy it yourself.
I think a lot of this is due to the overall design- afterall, who among us is familiar with spells of every class to a degree we know which ones are sold and which ones are drop only?
To me, if a spell drops then it shouldn't be found on a vendor period. And no vendor sold spells should drop off mobs period.
To would end the confusion- and it is confusion and not really scamming- I blame the game, not the player.