The Beastlords' Den

A Community Divided
(This is being posted on both BST Boards.  I am a moderator on one of them but my views are mine alone.  I do not speak for the administration of either forum)

 Beastlords make up a very small portion of the EQ player community.  This is not only because we are the newest class (for another few weeks anyway) but also because we are quite different from the traditional EQ classes.  By the time we were introduced people had formed a fundamental opinion of how certain classes fit into the grand scheme of the game.  We came along and not everyone was able to fit us into their little mold of which classes mattered.  So we were, for a long time, a bit of a cult class; neat too look at, handy at times, but never really "needed" for anything important.

 All EQ classes have a forum where people go to share information about their respective classes.  They like to read about others peoples experiences, opinions, tactics, and gear.  People like to be able to ask questions about upgrades, places to hunt, or even fashion tips.  Some people never make any posts at all; they just lurk around picking up nuggets of info. Other people post more than they should; flooding the forum with senseless drivel.  Regardless of where you fall between those two categories, the community needs you.  Every time a lurker reads something he or she finds helpful they become a better Beastlord, which in turn helps us as a community.  

 A few weeks ago EQBeastlord.com was sold (I'll just refer to this site as COM for now).  We all know the story.  Some of us even understand most of it.  We also know that the sale drove a wedge in our community.  Beastlords.org was born of that split (I'll just refer to this site as ORG for now).  A lot of people left COM in anger and/or disgust over the background of the person that purchased the site.  I am not here to start a debate over the buying and selling of EQ accounts and items, that is a discussion for another venue.  People bailed on COM and moved to ORG.  I was one of them.  Hell, I changed my account info on COM and swore I would not be back.  I registered on ORG and figured the community would just pick up where it left off.  It didn't.  ORG had a large number of people move to it but the post count was not as high and the topics were not as comprehensive as they were on COM.  So I registered a new account on COM and started browsing that site again.  Guess what...COM lacked the same numbers and relevance as ORG.  This seemed odd to me.  I know that the number of Beastlords had not decreased, if anything our numbers should increase over time (alts, bots, etc). So what was the reason for this decline in the community as a whole?  I'll let that question hang a while for people to think about.

 Am I making a call for either COM or ORG to shut down so we can all be one big happy family again?  Not at all. I believe that both sites can benefit the community.  Occasionally, when there was just the one board, people would bump their posts to keep them on the top because the number of posts kept pushing them lower.  With two forums people are more likely to get an answer.  But the flip side of that is some posts never get an answer at all.  On both sites I have seen people ask a question to which very few replies are made or, sometimes, none at all.   This does not help us as a class.
On one forum there was talk about mandatory registration just to read posts let alone reply to them.  The Admin of that board wisely chose not to make registration a requirement.  On the other board I made a call for all the unregistered lurkers to make an account just so they'd have a name available when they wanted to make a reply.  I suspect that, on both boards, many of the lurkers are people that are in "hiding" because of the controversy over the recent split and the drama that resulted.  Hell, I'm a Moderator on one site and I almost went so far as to create a different name on the other site so no one would think I was a "traitor".  But then I thought to myself "Who would I be a traitor TO?"  Where does my proper allegiance belong?  To the COM site or to the Beastlord community?  I decided that it belonged to the community as a whole.  I will continue to Mod on the COM site in order to facilitate the discussions there but I will also visit the ORG site, with the same name as the COM site, and post there when I have something to add to the conversation.

 I understand that some people associate the COM site with EULA violations.  That is an unfair characterization.  The information that the site contains is no different now than it was before the sale.  The people that Admin and Mod the site are not paid employees, we're Beastlords just like the rest of you.  I've received not one piece of new spam in my email since the sale so they are not exploiting the registration database.   People make money off EQ, they've been doing it for year and will keep doing it.  In fact, the market for in-game items is only going to grow as more and more game hit the streets.  Hell, even Sony is working on a way to get a slice of the pie through the selling of pre-leveled characters and AA/item packages.  The COM site did not originate this concept.

 I also understand that some people consider the ORG site as a "rebel" group.  They are the ones that thumbed their noses at our previously happy home and left to make a new one.  Well I think that's crap.  They did what they thought was best in reaction to the sale.  No one has the right to judge their individual decisions.  People have different tolerance and comfort levels.  Theirs dictated they could not support a site purchased by people that sell EQ items.  

Much the same way people choose between FoxNews and CNN.  Neither of them is evil, they are just different.  But they both report the news.  When a bomb goes off in Baghdad they report it.  It's the same thing with the Beastlord community; when a nerf happens both sites report it.  I'll visit both sites in order to get as much info as I can.

Two forums does not have to mean two communities.  We can exist on both.  Hell, I venture to say we can even grow stronger through two forums.  People have a second place to ask their questions and post their tactics.   I'd like to see the "us and them" attitude subside over time.  I'd like to see us as a Site1 and Site2 community.  It does not have to be an Either-Or situation.  It can be a Both.  

So to you site lurkers, register, login, post, talk, debate, argue, tell stories.  If you disabled your account on COM, just PM an Admin and they can reset it (like they did with mine).  To the ORG lurkers, just register and post.  Lets keep building up our wonderful class.  Starting with the new expansion we'll no longer be the new kids.  We're getting a new red-headed step-child to kick around with the Berserker class.  We should have a solid community once again.

 I will not climb off my soap-box.  I thank you if you've read all the way to the end.  Again, this was just something I wanted to say.  It reflects none of the opinions of either board.

Here's my disclaimer.. I'm a moderator here, was a regular reader of eqbeastlord until the last few months (ironically about when I got level 65 and got fed up with the slowness, useless posts, etc of the site) and occasional poster. My views are just my views, DiosT, Kashmiir & anyone else that visits or helps keep this community running may not agree and thats fine.

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Most people have no real problem with Oaga. It's that slime-ball Yantis that turned this whole mess into the drama it has become. Some people either don't know or don't care what Yantis does to the game and thats fine. Sometimes ignorance truely is bliss.

Those were your exact words. Most of continue to feel that Yantis hurts the game and you seemed to have agreed for a while at least, personally, someone that I think is a slimeball, I dont then frequent their business or help their business grow..

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I registered on ORG and figured the community would just pick up where it left off. It didn't. ORG had a large number of people move to it but the post count was not as high and the topics were not as comprehensive as they were on COM. So I registered a new account on COM and started browsing that site again. Guess what...COM lacked the same numbers and relevance as ORG. This seemed odd to me. I know that the number of Beastlords had not decreased, if anything our numbers should increase over time (alts, bots, etc). So what was the reason for this decline in the community as a whole? I'll let that question hang a while for people to think about.

You expected us to have the whole database and userbase that eqbeastlord.com had built up over the years in a matter of a day? Think you need to get real and think about that again. Talk had been mentioned about a database copy and Oaga / Yanti$ basically said do it and we have a very good case for a lawsuit.

Right now .COM has 107659 articles & 7454 registered users.
Right now we have 6842 articles & 1029 registered users.

Yes there are less posts, we've also only been going for 3 weeks. And there are a lot less repeat posts, whining, etc which you even admitted to. So whats the difference in your opinion between relevance & comprehensive? You've said one site is relevant, one is comprehensive.

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On both sites I have seen people ask a question to which very few replies are made or, sometimes, none at all. This does not help us as a class.

Unfortunately, yes this does happen. Sometimes it's because people have asked it before and anyone reading the new thread may assume the poster will find the answer. Sometimes people don't know the answer. Sometimes, the post just gets lost in the "i'll reply later" shuffle. Unfortunately, there's no real solution to that, stuff happens and it just doesn't happen here or on .COM or even just everquest baords. It can happen everywhere.

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Hell, even Sony is working on a way to get a slice of the pie through the selling of pre-leveled characters and AA/item packages. The COM site did not originate this concept.

Thats just a rumour about sony. And no, the COM site did not originate it, but Yanti$ is definitely one of the biggest players and most successful, so he has defined it at least.

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The information that the site contains is no different now than it was before the sale

Taking you on your exact phrase, the site has in fact changed. It has the list of exploits along the side from RPGEXpert and it has the banners & links. There is also the issue of moderation. There have been many more complaints about .COM's moderation procedures since Yanti$ took over. That could be because all of the old moderators were stripped soon as he took over and only a few asked to come back, then all new mods were found.

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It does not have to be an Either-Or situation. It can be a Both.

It's a nice thought, but unfortunately, I think a lot of people feel the same way as I do. That being, if I dislike what Yanti$ stands for and does, how can i support him by giving him hits & building his community so he can sell it off again with his assets to IGE or use it to get more items to sell. We got sold out once... Now twice if the IGE thing goes through...


/shrug

Random thoughts from me, sorry for spelling mistakes or jumbled thoughts. I just woke up and this was the first post I read.

Note: I expect this will end up in the rant section shortly and will be checking the thread while I'm on. Nothing against you Vecsus but this basically is a rant and the comments it will draw will probably be rant material as well.

Quotebut this basically is a rant and the comments it will draw will probably be rant material as well.

Depends on which forum you are. :)

See, now I was a little ranty myself. :D


Edit: And joking off course!

When i refer to post count I do not mean totals.  Of course you have less here, you are newer.  I am talking about daily counts.

 I never once said that one site was relevant (which would carry the logical connotation that the other site was irrelevant).

 Yantis does not run the moderation on the .COM site.  I'm a mod and I have never been told what to do.  There was not pamphlet telling me how to preach the gospel of Yantis.  I think people are creating drama where there is none.

And you are right, a lot of people do think the way you do, that it cannot be a "both" situation.  There are people on both sites that feel that way.  They are not the ones I was talking to.  I was trying to reach the people that are riding the fence.  Trying to explain that the BST community does not have to be split to the degree that it currently is.

 Funny how you declare it a Rant.  A rant is usually considered an irrational or overly emotional post with little or no attempt to offer alternatives or solutions.  As i re-read my post I see fodder for discussion.  I am aware that some will treat it as a reason to rant, which may result in the need to move it.  But the original post is not, in and of itself, a rant.  That you choose to see it as such says much.

Actually, if you compare the daily counts now you will see that we have more per day ;)

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ORG had a large number of people move to it but the post count was not as high and the topics were not as comprehensive as they were on COM. So I registered a new account on COM and started browsing that site again. Guess what...COM lacked the same numbers and relevance as ORG.

See above quote for the relevance reference.

I personally stopped posting when Yanti$ took over, I browse through as guest quickly once in a while (ie: twice since this site came around) but I've heard all kinds of comments about the moderators now and it does mostly seem to fit in with anything that would hurt Yanti$ is removed.

The community is split, for a few different reasons. One is that many people feel that Oaga sold us out (I do find it very strange that besides Oaga's post about needing the money, eqdruids got bought out at the same time and oaga suddenly has an interest in the site again now that Yanti$ owns it. I tend to think that was part of the deal, he had to work on the site and try to keep users, which almost works against him for a lot of users that feel negatively about him and his actions) and a lot of people dislike Yanti$ and wont visit his purchased communities since that would seem to support him in their minds.

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Funny how you declare it a Rant. A rant is usually considered an irrational or overly emotional post with little or no attempt to offer alternatives or solutions. As i re-read my post I see fodder for discussion. I am aware that some will treat it as a reason to rant, which may result in the need to move it. But the original post is not, in and of itself, a rant. That you choose to see it as such says much.

I didn't declare it a rant, I said it basically was and as I stated at the very beginning, the posts in this thread are just my opinion, no moderators or admins support my thoughts at this point, if they post and agree that still doesn't mean an official beastlords.org stance. If I had declared it a rant, I would have moved it immediately, I'm giving it the benefit of the doubt and seeing where it leads. Your immediate attack on me for mentioning that is a step towards it moving beause now you have made it personal against me and running it further into rant territory.

QuoteYantis does not run the moderation on the .COM site. I'm a mod and I have never been told what to do. There was not pamphlet telling me how to preach the gospel of Yantis. I think people are creating drama where there is none.

So you're saying Oaga and the Mods are NO LONGER deleting ALL links to this board?

Have the word filter operational to change all links to this board back to the other board?

Delete ALL posts asking for PM's with the address of this site?

Threating to ban people for posting links to this board?



Is that the non-Yantis moderation you mean?  :roll:



The censorship by Oaga since he sold the board has been rediculous, anything negative in anyway to Yantis OR his business interests (i.e. site NOT owned by Yantis) is deleted.

And you say that board is being ran well!!!  :shock:

Just a note Layne, Vecsus is one of the new mods that were introduced when the old ones lost access & left when Yanti$ took over ;)

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QuoteYantis does not run the moderation on the .COM site. I'm a mod and I have never been told what to do. There was not pamphlet telling me how to preach the gospel of Yantis. I think people are creating drama where there is none.

So you're saying Oaga and the Mods are NO LONGER deleting ALL links to this board?

Have the word filter operational to change all links to this board back to the other board?

Delete ALL posts asking for PM's with the address of this site?

Threating to ban people for posting links to this board?



Is that the non-Yantis moderation you mean?  :roll:



The censorship by Oaga since he sold the board has been rediculous, anything negative in anyway to Yantis OR his business interests (i.e. site NOT owned by Yantis) is deleted.

And you say that board is being ran well!!!  :shock:

Theatened? I WAS banned be Oaga for linking to this site. Not just account banned, They banned my freaking IP address too so if i want to check out the site i have to use a proxy. Its nice to see that people realise tha Oaga is behind this too and that he's not some innocent bystander. Vecsus is a mod of the old boards so his views are very one sided. He probally wants more people to move back to the old boards so he can feel important.

QuoteI think people are creating drama where there is none.

and your bringing this up just as it FINALLY was starting to die down a bit helps keep drama from being created exactly how?

I think the more we continue to bring this up the angrier the community will remain.

Quote from: LabaVecsus is a mod of the old boards so his views are very one sided. He probally wants more people to move back to the old boards so he can feel important.

That is harsh and unfair.  He does have many valid points.

But to me, it is simple: the board is more active, therefore it is the one I prefer to frequent.  Though I must say the frequent font page updates on COM are nice.  Wish Oaga would have been that interested before he got paid to do it, though.

after reading this, I decided to go back over and see how the old board is doing since the mass exodus.    It appears to be the same 8-10 people posting to each other, and most of them are mods and admins.

We left due to two things..  most left for moral ethics in regard to the site being owned by someone they think is destroying the game, and then the other half of us left because a site we supported was outright sold without any input.   Since you stayed, it is obvious that you are not hindered by either event.   The nail in the coffin was the redirect from the EZboard that the members HERE paid to turn gold while we looked for a new home.

You are welcome to come visit, but leave your bagage at the door.  We made our decision, and it was the right one.  You may return to the Oaga and Friends™ board with our best wishes if this is unsatisfactory for you.

BC

Okay...

At first I thought this was another one of those 'The ORG site is so high, mighty, and pure a site'  posts, but then I read it.  Don't rant me for saying that either.  I was once told to never throw stones unless I am fully sin free.  Now granted, I have not bought stuff for game purposes except to keep my DSL up, and pay for the privelage for logging on.  I cannot say that I have never gotten crabby in game and done something I have regretted later, or done bad things in real life.

You have some good points in your post Vescus (which, by the way is certainly not a Rant).  I do believe that there is still good information in both forums.  Both have stuff you need to weed through to get to the real meat of the site.  The COM site, you have to weed through the 'Bah, screw the rebels', the ORG site, you have to weed through the 'Oh we are so much higher, mightier, and pure than that other site'.  And yes, I do go to the other site to check certain things out when I can't find it here.  

I do think that people will start realizing the fact that there is good information at both sites and start going back once the fires have died down.  Making a post like this certainly is not letting the fires die, but helping to rekindle the fires.  I can see your intentions though and I suspect they are good.

To sum up, just stop posting things like this and everything will go back to normal.  Which is people exchanging ideas with other people, wherever it happens.  

-or-

Maybe we all could just put a little perspective to things and realize that this is just simply a forum on the internet, which supports a GAME.  If you really think about it, it's is truly kinda silly, what we are putting ourselves through.


P.S.  There have been no attacks (direct or indirect) nor have there been any rants on this thread.  :)

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Much the same way people choose between FoxNews and CNN.  Neither of them is evil, they are just different.  But they both report the news.  When a bomb goes off in Baghdad they report it.  

But this is where you are wrong ... FoxNews is evil.   :lol:

The bottom line is that US the Beaslord's of Norrath need a board that will be recognized by Sony as an official class board.

This board is now the official board according to Sony correct?



Nox

Why would I want to read the other board?  Any questions I have (that have not been answered 30 times) will be answered by someone here.  Yes, there is more information at the other site, simply by virtue of longevity.

But don't try to pretend that visiting the other site does not support Yantis, if that were true, he would not have purchased it in the first place.  

He already has 2 years of our thoughts and questions to fuel his industry, there is no way he is going to get more.

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Vecsus is a mod of the old boards so his views are very one sided. He probally wants more people to move back to the old boards so he can feel important.

If that is what you think of me then you completely failed to comprehend even half of what I wrote.  If I want to feel important I would not be playing EQ.  This has nothing to do with my self esteem.  It has everything to do with wanting to see our community get over the us-them issue.  People think that I just made it worse with the post.  I happen to think that before people can get over something they must first have a complete understanding of it.  It is obvious that most people still don't.  And that applies to both boards.  One-sided?  I don't give a damn where people post.  I just want people to stop thinking that the members of the "other" board are some kind of monster.


 And by all means move this to your rant section now.  The direction this has taken warrents it.   :wink:

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It has everything to do with wanting to see our community get over the us-them issue.

Few lines later..

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And by all means move this to your rant section now

Even you are continuing the seperation as others have stated ;)

There is no way that people will settle down and completely forget about this issue. Many people hate Yantis so much. And many people feel that Oaga sold out the community, not even talking to us about his problems and trying to hide the fact of the sale for a while. The best thing is to just not create threads like this and let people sort it out on their own rather than dragging people into it and having conflicting viewpoints clash over and over.

I'll stick with ORG thanks. I have no time for Yantis and choose not to support him or any of his sites. Simple as that.

You can stay here, visit both or stay at COM, I realy don't give two hoots. For me I know which site is better and feels like home.

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Ok, lets break these numbers down...

EQBeastlord has had 527 Posts since 20 Jan 2004 to Present.
EQBeastlord has gained 58 Registered Users since 20 Jan 2004 to Present.

The Beastlords' Den has had 933 Posts since 20 Jan 2004 to Present.
The Beastlords' Den has gained 76 Registered Users since 20 Jan 2004 to Present.

And with them numbers... I bid you "Good day".

Personally, I tried to stay with both sites for a while.  I posted a simple question regarding our email addresses where I was told that Yantis doesn't have our email addresses because Oaga would have to get them for him.  Hmmm...  Since he no longer owns that information, he is powerless to stop yantis from doing it himself.  Not to try to boost up Yantis, but the guy does have some braincells or he would not have gotten where he is today with his own sites.  

I was not satisfied with the reply so I sent him an email asking that my account be purged.  His reply to this was to sticky my post to make me look like a fool.  True, it was only stickied for about two weeks, but it was still underhanded and rude.  My account is now inactive over there since I changed my email to a null acount, but my account has not been purged.

Like it or not, Yantis now owns all the posts and ideas on that site.  At the very least, he will profit from the "guides" he will have constructed from the information he owns.  Those nice charts and graphs that the users created and refined are now his to puplish if he sees fit to do so.  Having those same graphs and charts posted here could be argued as copyright infringement.  

Let me restate this, he owns any idea or information you posted to that site.  

Let also keep in mind that Yantis has been around longer that EQ.  

One of my favorite things about this site is that neve once have I seen the little icon in the lower right corner of my browser pop up when using this site.  Using the eqbeastlord site, I see it often.  I really don't like yantis's other sites like his plat market or his cheat site being sent cookies just because I go to a eq related site.

I should have seen this all coming when Oaga started allowing banner advertising on his site.  I complained several times that they all seemed to be for Yantis cheat sites.  I was rebuffed several time for mentioning it.  I seriously doubt that the sale of that site was a spontanious action to "help a family member".

I doubt we would have heard that story at all had a post not been made in public about it.  Seems like it was read just a few too many times before it was deleted and a damage control plan was rushed in to action.

If Oaga's, sorry, I meant Yantis' board falls it will be by Oaga's own sword, not ours.

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Quote from: Laba
Vecsus is a mod of the old boards so his views are very one sided. He probally wants more people to move back to the old boards so he can feel important.

If that is what you think of me then you completely failed to comprehend even half of what I wrote.  If I want to feel important I would not be playing EQ.  This has nothing to do with my self esteem.  It has everything to do with wanting to see our community get over the us-them issue.  People think that I just made it worse with the post.  I happen to think that before people can get over something they must first have a complete understanding of it.  It is obvious that most people still don't.  And that applies to both boards.  One-sided?  I don't give a damn where people post.  I just want people to stop thinking that the members of the "other" board are some kind of monster.


 And by all means move this to your rant section now.  The direction this has taken warrents it.   :wink:

I never thought the posters on the other board were monsters but i think Yantis Oaga and most likely the current mods are all lying scumbags. So how do you justify my IP being blocked? It was blocked becuase i posted a message about this board with a link. I guess its ok because i had a low post count and no one cared eh?

Post anything ya want here as long as it relavent. I wont 'block' you from posting a URL of a website (as long as you do it maturely and be unobtrusive).

Go to http://www.eqbeastlord.com and visit them if you like. I wont stop you or beg you to stay here, but always remember that here you have a home and over there you are "bling-bling" (aka $$$)

Plain and Simple.  I have gone back and forth between the 2 boards in the past 2 weeks to see how things settled down.  As of 3 days ago, I have made this board my home.  I have since deleted the old board from my favorites.  It's nice to have a home that SoE can recognize as the official BL forum.

-Elrathin-
-65 Feral Lord-

Ya know... Kashmiir has the basis of a good idea in his post.  

Lets mend those fences with a free exchange of information! =0)

We'll start here..    http://www.eqbeastlord.com    Now, click that and see where it takes you =)

Okay, your back now, right?   okay Vecsus, now go to COM and type the same post there, only type in http://www.beastlords.org  and then click it =)

We'll wait here for you to get back from clicking the link there!

BC

Quote from: BloodCeltYa know... Kashmiir has the basis of a good idea in his post.  

Lets mend those fences with a free exchange of information! =0)

We'll start here..    http://www.eqbeastlord.com    Now, click that and see where it takes you =)

Okay, your back now, right?   okay Vecsus, now go to COM and type the same post there, only type in http://www.beastlords.org  and then click it =)

We'll wait here for you to get back from clicking the link there!

BC

Haha awesome BC i bet we never hear from him again

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Haha awesome BC i bet we never hear from him again

I'll take that bet.   :twisted:

QuoteThe information that the site contains is no different now than it was before the sale

Yeah, unfortunatly COM has the same information, while ORG has veteran posters from COM, as well as managment from the COM boards as well..

The ORG managment (which is more thatn just myself, the combination of Vopi, Kash, Jaeren, Queeg, myself, and Infinity Internet :twisted: make a strong team), allows this site to go far beyond either COM, or my personal beastlord site ever were going to become...


Personally, I have nothing against yantis, oaga, or sony... but I'm a team player, I wanted to stick with my friends and fellow frequent posters, and most of whom i cared about moved to this new board, so i went with them and offered my servers, and old site, as a foundation to start anew...

And i'm the type of person who likes to rebuild bigger and better than before...


I wish COM luck, I really do, but I'm sticking with my friends, and the strong backbone(the management), this site has.. We moderators/admins here are telling each other everything, so i feel much more confident in this site as it's run by active, beast-loving unpaid moderators/admins, so this site is here to stay...

Quote from: DiosTWe moderators/admins here are telling each other everything, so i feel much more confident in this site as it's run by active, beast-loving unpaid moderators/admins, so this site is here to stay...

 Are you trying to imply that the mods on the COM site don't love the class?  Or that we are paid??  DiosT, I know you know better than that.  I've been playing this class since the day it came out.  You've no right to call my intentions into question or those of the other people on that site.  Shame on you.  That is exactly the sort of attitude that is going to keep pulling the two groups apart.

I just hate like hell to have to hit twice as many boards for my daily reading & posting :/

I think a lot of you are missing the point of the post - I dont think it was a .com vs .org, it was lamenting that everything shook out the way it did.  Frankly, I hate it came to that too, but I will not choose a side.  I remain a Mod (lying scumbag) over there, and an active member here.

And both boards have a lot less post per day/topics per day than when there was a single board, and that's too bad.

And Sony doesn't "need" a beastlord board anymore than they needed the shaman or any other type of board.  Sure they may make an account & might even post now and again  & read a few,  but I think we all know SoE better than to think they will look a class board & some lightbulb will go on.  Sometimes I don't even think they have damn thing in the socket to begin with.

Oh, and moving this out of the general forum is silly IMHO :)

you left out the whole opening statement about mentioning this site's moderators/admins...

In my time as an admin at the COM site, oaga never really said anything, gave any opinions, or had time to update his website...

When he sold out quickly, we had almost no warning (he mentioned it 3-4 days before he sold), and then most the moderators left...

I dont know most the new moderator staff, and by that I mean.. some of them i've never seen post before, therefore I question where yantis found them...




As for the two communities being apart..

As far as im concerned, the community split, and will remain split, after oaga's quick sellout, kicking of all the admins/moderators from the board (without so much as a PM, E-mail, or whatever to explain why, I had to read the den to figure out what happened), filtering of the new site from linking off...

Ok, and thats just for starters.. what really ticks me is the addition of a re-direct on EZBoard for anyone who wanted to go back there, using OUR community's donated money for yanti$' gain (without our donations, EZBoard would have removed oaga from admin status of the board and disallowed the redirect), and then subsequent bans/filters to keep people in yanti$' pocket...


While I respect Oaga's need, I disapprove of his new 'job' of feeding yantis some young beastlords free gear/characters, or outright scams.... Right now i do have something against Oaga, and that's the fact he ran to sell out, then remained to give us old members of the community the finger, and use our money from EZBoard for his gain..



Major difference between the two sites now, is freedom of speech...

We dont limit what people can say, outside basic rules of decency(no flaming/strings of curses), proper forum placement, and no Legal/contract violations(meaning: Non-disclosure contract violations--I get e-mails when Sony notices them & they arn't happy to see it)... There are no filters, we freely allow eqbeastlord links -- as long as it's not 'spam/advertisements,' while the COM site would love nothing more than to take back all our members here, and never let them come back to the ORG site by banning/redirecting all links to here...



Now, 3 weeks after the fact, if the filter were removed, it would change nothing.

Quote from: Vecsus

Quote from: Laba

Haha awesome BC i bet we never hear from him again

I'll take that bet.   :twisted:

Go ahead and take the bet and try to justify why you can post a link from Org to Com and not the other way around.

So you support people and organizations that make a living by ruining the integrity of the world's current-largest and current most popular MMORPG?

That's no different than saying Wal-Mart is the scourge of the earth, then going and buying your groceries from Wal-Mart. Target costs the same, so what's the difference, right?

Right... :roll:

/sarcasm off

LOL

Hmm....

The Rebel Beastlords

I kinda like the ring of that.  It might have even made a good tittle to this site.

Then again, it also sounds a little like a motorcycle gang with animal fetishes.  Ok, maybe that's not such a bright idea...

Back to your regularly  scheduled argument.

Vecsus, you didn't answer my questions.

QuoteQuote:
Yantis does not run the moderation on the .COM site. I'm a mod and I have never been told what to do. There was not pamphlet telling me how to preach the gospel of Yantis. I think people are creating drama where there is none.  


So you're saying Oaga and the Mods are NO LONGER deleting ALL links to this board?

Have the word filter operational to change all links to this board back to the other board?

Delete ALL posts asking for PM's with the address of this site?

Threating to ban people for posting links to this board?



Is that the non-Yantis moderation you mean?  :roll:  



The censorship by Oaga since he sold the board has been rediculous, anything negative in anyway to Yantis OR his business interests (i.e. site NOT owned by Yantis) is deleted.

And you say that board is being ran well!!!  :shock:

Are the censorship, threats and bannings still being ENFORCED on that board?


If not then you may have a point.

If so then how you can defend that sort of behaviour is beyond me never mind be PART of it.  :(

There is no division of the beastlord class.

There is one "official" beastlord forum.

You read this there.

Just FYI Dios, there is only one new Mod at COM.  The others are Yik,  Sith, myself and Vescus - all folks you have known for a while.

As for links being changed, edited etc... I actually dont know if that has happened to anyone in a while - I know I have never edited anyone post with it.  I know I lot of ugliness was on present on both boards during the first few days :(

Why dont you quit as a Mod at .COM, send a message to the new owners.

Quote from: DiosTWe dont limit what people can say, outside basic rules of decency

Quote from: Kashmiir BattlekatIf you stay here thats fine. Have an opinion thats fine, but if you are here to drum up trouble you are barking up the wrong tree son. So I advise you to keep your tone with me or you can leave.

I offered my view on what I wanted to do and why I wanted to do it. Perhaps you should READ MY POST. Im sorry, but you are here on MY dollar. Every "hit" is MY DOLLAR. Thus if I wished to make people who come here and REGISTRER on MY DOLLAR I most certainly will.

But I on the otherhand have enough RESPECT for my subscribers and offered THEM the opprotunity to offer me there opinions which they did and I "bowed" to there wisdom.

Now kindly end your attitude here Vecsus or Ill give you the boot and not think twice about it.

and lastly... You are in MY house. Dont forget that,

/end

It seems that things have changed.

This is the post that Kash was relying to:

Quote from: Vecsuscompulsory registration just to view posts is far too Orwellian if you ask me. What does it matter if people just want to read? Is it your place to make the determination that only a registered user is of benefit to the community? When someone reads a post and learns something they are then a slightly better Beastlord because of it. And isn't that the purpose of a forum like this? Or is your desire to force registration a way to buff up the number of registered users you have in order to better "compete" with the other forum?

Hardly a flame, and barely qualifys as criticism. So, we comform to the accpted opinion or else? I have seen FAR more derogatory, cynical, and downright snide remarks in both this, and the old forums. I have NEVER seen such a reply from an ADMIN. If the responce is to the PERSON, and not the ISSUE, then send a PM. If we start to ban someone because we don't like their opinion, we are no better than COM. In fact, we'ed be worse. I will be eternally gratefull to Kash for getting this site set up, and will support it in both my posts, and money. I cannot support censership. Kash was mad. Maybe I am putting too much into his reply. But it scares me.

Vecsus, I was one of those who left, not to return. I agree with both you and Ghoat that the splitting of the community was ultimatly not the best. I will not critisize anyone for using both sites, but I made my decision, and I am sticking to it. Untill COM allows links to other sites, and stops banning accounts based on someones opinion, I cannot trust the opinions that survive the cut. They are obviously the opinion of the ADMIN, not the community.

Quote from: VecsusThat is exactly the sort of attitude that is going to keep pulling the two groups apart.

Incorrect. It's naively making posts like your inital thread-starter that causes this.

mac173,
Nothing has changed I just do not appreciate people, especially Mods from another site, coming here and popping off in our community.

He is just here trying to drum up business for the old site by coming here and raising people hackles. Dont you see it? The old boards postings have gone down dramatically while ours has gone up dramatically. We are currently holding almost a 2:1 advanatge on postings over the 'old site' and they see it.

So let them come here and cry about division. We all know who will win in the end... The Beastlord Community will win in the end and this site will continue as the old one slowly dies off. It will likely be a long and agonizing end over there, but Yantis sees his 'bling-bling' walking out the door everyday and is growing a little concerned over his 'money well spent' being 'not so well spent'...

I have to agree with mac173.  The "son" comment was particularly disturbing.  Oh well, everyone has a temper - I certainly can't throw stones.

On topic, what really frustrates and infuriates me is that there are people on the other board actively seeking this board, and unable to find it, because any responses to them getting censored out.  I went back to check what the responses to this post over there were like - there was maybe 5 responses, one of them was from someone looking for this board who had tried some combinations using .org and still couldn't get it.  None of the moderators or posters helped this person out (nor could they of course).

Quote from: HrannI have to agree with mac173.  The "son" comment was particularly disturbing.  Oh well, everyone has a temper - I certainly can't throw stones.

He had my hackles up what can I say? :)

I dont mind folks posting here about eqbeastlord.com or any other site for that matter as long as its relevent information, but he is just here drumming up more division and trying to 'gain back' the 'bling-bling' for them. I dont blame him for it, but Im not going to sit back and let him pull the wool over peoples eyes in our Community.

Never, ever forget that on http://www.eqbeastlord.com you are nothing more then feeding IGE/Yantis the money every time you go there. Now that they see the dust settling and beastlords.org is ahead of the game they are trying to 'drum up' business by causing a further 'division' here at this board and I will NOT have it.

Anyone may come here and post, be a part of our community as long as they play nice, but if you (meaning anyone) are just here to drum up business or cause strife amonst the ranks here then I will put my foot down (as I did).

There are 2 people behind this keyboard. There is your fellow Beastlord who is fun loving and carefree and there is the hardened military man who also happens to Admin/Mod/Own this site which I care for quite a bit. If you come in to my home and start flinging your crap around Im going to put my foot somewhere unpleasent :)

He has had his say. I leave his postings unedited for your viewing pleasure, but I do hope you know that this place is your home while the other place is a 'business' and with any 'business' they are out for 'profit'.

Peace and Good Fortune to everyone.

Quote from: KinmaxWhy dont you quit as a Mod at .COM, send a message to the new owners.

Kinmax, I don't see the need to do that.  I personally have no love for Yantis at all.  I don't have some huge sense of duty to Oaga either.  It's pretty simple really.  I agreed to become a mod there, to help (whatever that actually means) the community on the boards, and that stands.  If I had been asked to be a mod here, I'd have done that as well.  It really matters not to me if I am a mod on one board, both boards or neither board.  Frankly mods are somewhat overrated.  It's like officials at a ball game, they should be fairly invisible.  If they are playing a huge role in the outcome or flow, then something is very wrong with the game, or the community.  The less heavy handed an official or mod is , the better all are - that's just my opinion tho.

I have been a member of the "greater" beastlord community since about a month after the class was hatched, and I'll remain that way, as a mod, not as a mod, on whatever board, or where ever the "community" is - this is the third beastlord board I have been active on hehe.  My interest and/or loyalty is in the community, not who owns the sites or where they reside.  It's not to Kash, it's not to Oaga, and it's damn sure not to Yantis.

As to Yanis, I kinda see him like your local smut peddler or the guy who opens up a new package store in a small town.  Most everyone knows who he is and what he does.  He is tolerated because he provides a service or product that is otherwise unavailable.  And he provides a lighting rod for those who need something or someone to lash out against, or to rally people around. Some people will hate him and make a lot of noise that he is a black mark on a fine community.  Some of these very same people will be the same ones who use his services when they need them - in a very discreet way.

It kinda reminds of my sweet grandmother who keeps plenty of booze around the house, who will always have a beer or a mixed drink to offer me when I am in town. But when the ladies from the church come around, there is not a drop to be seen - God forbid if one of those ladies looked under the sink for a paper towel or looked in the outside fridge where the "extra food is"  But of course they would not dare, since they do the same thing.  

I have nothing against the people who hate COM because of Yantis.  I think some have pure motives for it.  I think a lot are posturing for the sake of posturing, and that's fine too, to each thier own - I think attacking people who are still active there is silly, but I also know a lot of strongest "anit-COM's" still "lurk" there - like that bottle of Jack Daniels under my grandmother's sink.

And since I am really wasting my bosses time and money, lemme bring this up.  The visceral hate for Yantis is supposedly based on one or two things.  "Bad for the game" or wanton disregard for the EULA.  Lets look at the 2nd.  If you are in a major bigtime guild, guess what?  Your guild has a Yantis stain, to some degree or another.  Your guild has  prolly sold off  excess plat for cash to pay for guild account upkeep (monthly) the guild has accquired, has bought toons from members who quit, sold those toons, or bought other toons to have for the guild as needed.  Someone in your guild is playing a toon they bought, or playing a toon after selling one.  I am sure no bigtime guild is really proud of that, but it's a reality of this game today, and every guild has thier little secrets that really don't need full public disclousre.

Ever logged on a buddies account for buffs? Ever logged a buddy in for his rez/TL at some late hour when he had to camp, or had them do it for you?  Ever been doing a LDoN and someone logged on a toon to buff something?  Did you use EQW before it was deemed "ok"? Ever logged someone on for a flag, or had someone log you on for a flag?  With the pita of PoP flagging, I would imagine that most guild keep a list of player info, or certain people give thier info to certain people etc... all 100% against what is clearly stated in EULA.

Is being a major plat broker/account trader ok? Well, no, and well...maybe at certain times under certain conditions there is a need for that, and it's, well sorta kinda, not such a horrible thing, because it was not out of greed, but out of a need, or something that just, kinda had, or needed to be sorta kinda done - just this once, due to the fact that um...

Is loggin in a buddy to get him out of some god-forsaken place such a bad thing when a RL issue comes up and he/she HAS to camp? How does that compare to what Yanis does for a living?  I mean you really cannot compare those two situation.  But if you live in Black and White, and hold the EULA as gospel, then you can.  Breaking the EULA is breaking the EULA - if it is for profit, benefit of your group/guild or helping a friend in need.  Doing 70 in a 55 is doing 70 in a 55, no matter if you are speeding to get to a buddies party, or know your ass is getting fired if you are late for work just one more time.

There is not much that is really black and white.  And no, I am NOT a pessimist, and I don't think the world or this gamed is doomed to anarchy.  But I can tell you this, if the EULA was enforced to it's full extent, I think every single person I know would be banned - from account sharing if nothing else.  I would be willing to bet all of the plat that Yantis can get his hands on that there is not ONE SINGLE person reading this that has not benefitted from the breaking of the EULA - even if it was just that someone in your group logged on a friend druid for 9, or enchanter for C5.

Lastly, why don't I quit to send a message? I made an account here ASAP, and have been active here.  I was waiting for Yantis to post in the mod forum, or to get some new edict saying this is now what I had to do & how I had to moderate, then I was gone.  I has yet to happen.  Never seen a post, and I have been told to do nothing different than before - that I can assure you.  Do you think Yantis even knows, or cares who Ghoat is? Think he would give a crap if I quit - or even know?  Who the hell am I to "send a message" to ANYONE involved in this silly game.  I am a faceless person that is personified by a stupid looking cat who is dressed in green and red.  Some numbskull in Alabama, who had his wifed pissed off this weekend because he forgot to pay her cellbill this weekend, and had to sweettalk to avoid the $25 reconnection fee.  What kinda of message can this person send to some other faceless entity? Why would he care?  Frankly if you have read this whole post, why?  I am like you - someone who wastes WAY to much time playing a stupid game for fun - no better, no worse.  Because I have more hps that you, less aa that you, a higher or lower post count that you does not make a fatrat's ass when any of us sit down at the dinner table, and I don't really see why it does here.  Wife, kids, job, guild - I have PLENTY of drama as it is.

I see no reason to make more for myself on a pair of class boards, so I'll just hang around both of em, and if I can be of some help to someone on either, then I guess I have done something ok.  /

The massive amounts of testosterone generated between these factions of former friends would be enuff to knock up 1/2 of Asia.  So pointless.

mac, the registration to view idea was dropped...

Kash was kind enough to ask the members of the board their opinions on the matter, well before he was going to change it, if at all...

We are not going to force registration, and even if we did--how would that 'limit' your ability to say what you want? Also, Kash said if vescus was here to cause trouble, THEN he would be removed... not the other way around--removing before he causes trouble...

And I think that's fair...


Ghoat -- There was a mod by some name starting with "Mend" or something shortly after the sellout, with like 20-50 posts or something... seems he was dropped since then...

I havnt been back to eqbeastlord much since then, so no idea who the moderators are there anymore.. and i dont really care to know either, as far as this boards concerned it's free for anyone

Quote from: BloodCeltYa know... Kashmiir has the basis of a good idea in his post.  

Lets mend those fences with a free exchange of information! =0)

We'll start here..    http://www.eqbeastlord.com    Now, click that and see where it takes you =)

Okay, your back now, right?   okay Vecsus, now go to COM and type the same post there, only type in http://www.beastlords.org  and then click it =)

We'll wait here for you to get back from clicking the link there!

BC

Before I left the old board, I posted a link to this site and at first the link was just changed right back to the old board.  The the post simply disapeared.  They were filtering then, maybe you can now, but I find it highly unlikely.  It is a shame that someone felt so insecure that they had to take direct action to keep people from making a free choice.

Just for kicks I went to the new board to see what they had to say about his topic.  I found a few interesting quotes on the matter of linking.

Quote from: GhoatNeither site crosslinks - for better or for worse.

Hey Ghoat, Clicking the ling for eqbeastlords really does take you to that site.  No one has changed it.  Do you stand by your remark?

Quote from: VecsusBut when this site does not cross-link they call it censorship.

/shrug.

When your boss's site changes links to this site automatically so that peeps on eqbeastlord can't find this site, what would YOU call it?

Seems peeps over there have been trying to find this site, but can't because of those restictions....

Quote from: InciteWell it'd be nice if the mods here were mature enough to link to the new boards ... I can't find a URL for it anywhere.

I've tried a load of different URLs randomly as well ending with .org, with no luck.

Hmmm...

Anyway, going there really made me sick with all the cookie attempts to mysupersales and rgpexpert that my computer blocked for me.  If you go there, I highly recomend at least setting your browser setting up a notch.

Thanks for responding Kash. I DO feel better. I understand getting mad, I do it all the time.

Thank god they take back the automatic weapons when you leave the military.....uh.....they DID take it back, right, Kash?

/duck

Ghoat,
You are always welcome here man. You are impartial and are a leader of our community as a whole. You do not blame anyone nor do you advertise for 'the other place'. You have MY utmost respect Sir.

I give you a hearty salute and I bow to you in great respect.

I also hope you do not leave this part of the Beastlord Community. I think that would be a terrible tragedy. You are MOST welcome here.

*grabs some viagra*

I'll take that Asian challenge, Ghoat!


Honestly though, I like it here, I like the crowd better, the information if more in line with what I need to know vs. random questions that have been answered 1,000 times.

That said, I'm having a hard time understanding wtf this "we have more activity than you" has to do with much of anything.  If 10 times the people that post here, posted there, I'd still come here because this is the info best suited for me.  Who cares about activity?

As much as Vescus may be trying to drum up support there, the hypocricy here knows no bounds, to paraphrase Tombstone.

Why don't we all give it a rest and stick to playing the game?

Vecsus completely ignores my questions then comes out with this on the sister post on the other board.

QuoteBut when this site does not cross-link they call it censorship.

/shrug.

I tried and the whole thing was very misunderstood. I give up. People can read where they want to read. The whole class suffers because of this pervasive us-them attitude. My ingame performance will not be effected regardless of how many sites we spread out amongst. It's the newer and lower Beastlords that stand to either benefit or lose out because of this.

I may be wrong but I'm pretty sure I can post www.eqbeastlord.com here without it being altered by the word filter, modded out, threatened with banning or indeed banned.

And that there IS a link to it in the lore section.

Quote from: Furlyne

Quote from: GhoatNeither site crosslinks - for better or for worse.

Hey Ghoat, Clicking the ling for eqbeastlords really does take you to that site.  No one has changed it.  Do you stand by your remark?

Yes, Furlyne, I do.  What I was saying is that in the "links" section, neither lists the other site.  It was discussed on both boards & there was a lot of gnashing of teeth about it.  That has not changed, so please don't attempt to read or make more of my statement that what I said, take it as face value, which is how it was intended.

Quote from: GhoatThe massive amounts of testosterone generated between these factions of former friends would be enuff to knock up 1/2 of Asia.  So pointless.

So THAT's how it happened.  :)

Quote from: Ghoat

Quote from: Furlyne

Quote from: GhoatNeither site crosslinks - for better or for worse.

Hey Ghoat, Clicking the ling for eqbeastlords really does take you to that site.  No one has changed it.  Do you stand by your remark?

Yes, Furlyne, I do.  What I was saying is that in the "links" section, neither lists the other site.  It was discussed on both boards & there was a lot of gnashing of teeth about it.  That has not changed, so please don't attempt to read or make more of my statement that what I said, take it as face value, which is how it was intended.

Just seemed to me that it was a response to Incite stating he couldn't find the link anywhere.  I assumed he was talking about not being able to find a link anywhere on the site.  If you were both refering to the "links" sections then you are correct and I stand corrected.

PM Recived after reactivating my account.

The Beastlord AA Table is gone from that site now.

Quote from: OAGAPlease refrain from posting links to other boards in your sig.

Thanks.

My sig I will do with it as I will. Thank you fo showing your desire for the community to come back together. I will remove my maintainer post from this forum since you dont wish to allow me to do this. I noticed that you deactivated my account. If you feel that you must do so thats your call.

I was going to reply to this with a long post but Sorien's post on page one and then Ghoat's LONG (but worhty) post  :D  says it all.  We need get back to being and playing Beastlords and help one another.

PS Ghoat is a smart man for living in Alabama (j/k)

I choose to get my info here. I just like it better, the info, the style of the board (looks), whatnot.
As a longtime poster to all the boards (COM before, here now, and the old com board) I do like to see posts from some old timers (Ghoat, Vescus, Yik, Tipop before this all went down). I don't care if they are mods on the other site, doesn't bother me or effect with me in anyway. I don't want them to feel unwelcome here. Its a game, they give good info and humor, and I hope they continue to use both if thats what they want to do.

I will continue to use this board for the same reason I posted, I like it better.

QuoteI have been a member of the "greater" beastlord community since about a month after the class was hatched, and I'll remain that way, as a mod, not as a mod, on whatever board, or where ever the "community" is - this is the third beastlord board I have been active on hehe. My interest and/or loyalty is in the community, not who owns the sites or where they reside

That's the reason I left COM... the 'greater' beastlord community moved to here, including most of the highly active beastlords/posters...

I offered to help oaga, but was thanked for my offer by a removal of admin, without a reply to my offer, or an e-mail explaining he had removed everyone (and why)...


I noticed a lot of good beastlords leaving, so I went with them...


That said, I do sometimes want to help other beastlords out on the old board, but already disabled my account with a bad e-mail address

Also Ghoat,

QuoteTue Jan 06, 2004 12:53 pm

<-- The time of posting (which hasnt been edited since), there is a link to EQBeastlords.com and if you'll note, it doesnt redirect people back to this site...

That's pritty much our links page, Our main site only lists key websites that are used by most all players, and the other sites that reside physically on the same server as beastlords.org...

I personally dont care for maintaining large amounts of links.

Well, since i sorta started the crossfire with Vecsus, I should check in again I guess.

My thoughts are this:

Vecsus has made multiple posts lately that all seem to be negative. Maybe others didn't notice them or I took them the wrong way. But this thread by him has been negative and when something he can't argue against comes up, he ignores it. Sorta like he ignores the fact that he was completely against Yantis, then he suddenly changed and was a mod there...

Kash & I just had enough and expressed our opinions in different ways. Not everyone will like my way, not everyone will like Kash's way. I personally think Kash shoudl have waited a couple mins more before replying, he may have made a less blunt and in your face kind of post and maybe wouldn't have riled up others for a while. But that's his option and that was his honest first impression and reaction.

Just because someone is a moderator or admin (here or there) doesn't mean they are perfect OR that they are complete idiots, it's your actions. Kash, DiosT, etc have put a lot of effort into this forum and neither wants it to fail or become a place for trouble makers.

In my opinion though, Vecsus seems to be looking for a fight here and Kashmiir basically told him if that's his only purpose here and he doesn't contribute anything positive at all, why should Kash waste his time & effort on him? Basically a "shape up or ship out" kinda thing.

For all the comments I've made, if Vecsus would contribute positively, that's great and I won't interfere or try to cause problems for him. But at the current time, he doesn't seem to be wanting to do that. I noticed Vecsus' about face on his Yanti$ stand awhile ago, so I have been watching his actions to see if he would contribute and if so, either in a negative or positive way.

Many of you don't know me that well, this nickname didn't post much on the other forum but I read almost every post there for a long time and posted under my old beastlord's name before I moved servers and made a new account. Some people make think I was lookign for a fight, i wasn't I was hoping to debate Vecsus' points but after a few posts, he descended to insulting me for the rant comment. Like I said, it was in *MY* opinion that he was ranting. I didn't move the post until he started getting personal, in which case I really could have locked the thread since personal attacks aren't allowed on ANY reliable board. Instead, I left the post open and moved it to rants WITH a shadow link in general being left since I decided that the most likely course it was headed was further into rant territory. If things had gone different, the thread could have always been mvoed back the other way.

I guess what all my ramblings is about is this: Vecsus, if you have something positive to contribute here, that's great.  We don't ban people for links, being a mod elsewhere, etc. But, we will remove spam & people that add nothing positive. It's your choice which you decide to do on this forum. I would hope you would follow what you posted a couple times and be a part of the general beastlord community, not eqbeastlord or beastlords.org. but so far in my opinion, you are helping along the us vs them mentality and adding a lot of negative lately.

And, uh, if this didn't make sense.. I have 3 excuses

1. i'm a former bard main so i'm used to typing fast and in 3 second bursts
2. I hurt my hand so typing isn't all that fun
3. I'm running on 4 hrs of sleep & 8 hours of work and just got home ;)

And if you don't believe that.. Take it up with my wolf, I haven't fed him yet :P

Seems to me that these com mods are using selective memory, either conciously or unconciously to justify their decision. I see that none of them have tackled the questions about why you can crosslink from here to there and not otherwise, or the bannings by Oaga.

Laba, I have not answered because I don't know.  I know what I have read here, and that there are 3 sides to every story - and I barely even know ONE of the sides at best.  

It's not selective memory on my part, it's that I have no clue. No way am I going to make some speculation just to watch it take a life of it's own, when I frankly don't know Jack Schiete about what happened, or didn't happen to some people, or why.

Clears that right not up, doesn't it not?

I would really perfer that this thread just die and all of us get back to our day to day goodness :)

Vescus, you are welcome here. I 'want' you to be here, but if you are only here to drum up trouble or 'get people h8'ing' then please leave. If you wish to be a contributing member of this forum I bid you a merry welcome and have at it if not please leave us on your own choice. I havent yet banned anyone or deleted anyones posts (except in my "Are you a level 65 beastlord" thread which was announced in the thread).

So I am asking you to please be a kind, informative Beastlord here. Heck, post http://www.eqbeastlord.com in your sig. I dont mind, but contribute, silently read or if you must be negative, go away.

Thats all I ask of you and anyone in this community really.

I'm with kash on this..

I will not censor anyone from posting EQBeastlord.com, unless it is an obvious attempt at spaming

I will welcome anyone, including moderators from eqbeastlord, assuming they are here to do anything BUT degenerate/destroy the community by spam or negative posts, or to intentionally break community rules (which are simply the same kind of rules EQBeastlord has, including no flaming board members, etc.)


Best of luck to you COM people, if you want to continue a discussion with me, take it to PM and i'll gladly entertain you, but not going to monitor this thread much more.

Ok, it's very hard for me to keep up with all of this since I'm at work.  Much like a few others here I am in the Military (14 year Air Force) and am working 12-14 hour shifts with sporadic access to a computer that can access the unclassified internet.   So I will make some general comments to address a few of the main themes I've caught.

1.  I am NOT trying to drum up support for the COM site.  The size of my virtual penis is not affected by the number of posts made there.

2. The post I made that started this whole ordeal was not intended to be negative.  That it took on that flavor is unfortunate.  I wrote it hoping to break down some of the barriers between the two sites, not erect new ones.

3. I did not come to this board to stir up shit.  I posted the exact same thing on both sites.  If I had wanted a fight I would have written it much differently (and trust me, when I want to fight people will know it.)

4. I am a new mod on the COM site.  I was never privy to the workings of the site at the time of the sale.  I was not part of the decision to edit links to this site.  I support cross-links.  I think that sentiment is evident in my original post.

5. If I refuse to respond to every single accusation thrown at me it's not because I have nothing to say.  Often in situations like this there will be no solution no matter what is said.  In cases like that someone has to just let it drop.  I chose to be that someone on some of the issues brought up here.  If I am either unqualified to answer or lacking the proper data to give a sufficient response I will usally not make one at all.  I already talk out of my ass enough as it is.   I'll be baited or taunted into widening an arguement when it's counterproductive to the resolution of the main issue.

6.  I'm not a bad guy despite what people seem to think.  I'm not huggable but I am certainly not evil.  

  So people can please stop sending me cross-server tells now.  I get little time to play as it is.  Getting abuse while I am in-game ruins the relaxation that i seek when i play    :)

QuoteWhat I was saying is that in the "links" section, neither lists the other site.

Not true Ghoat.  In the same place as all the other EQ related links there is a link to the other site.  It is even in a thread called "EQ Links".

Quote from: Kerath

QuoteWhat I was saying is that in the "links" section, neither lists the other site.

Not true Ghoat.  In the same place as all the other EQ related links there is a link to the other site.  It is even in a thread called "EQ Links".

There are only 4 "links" list on the front page.  That site is not one. No biggie.  FFS, you goobers stop trying to go lawyer on & pull out they in some post codknowswhere on the board there is a link! Hell there are links are in this thread.

I'll say this one time REAL slow, in case there are some other dumbasses in Alabama with  me!  "The boards in thier links section (not in a post somewhere but the ByGodLinksSection) do not show each other"  Nothing more, nothing less. OMG!  And now even that is not true.  I don't have enuff hair on my head to cover all the hairs people are tying to split.

/runs screaming

Oh, and PS, thanks for the kinda words Kash :)

Open your eyes Ghost ;)

http://beastlords.org/links.php

Links

  1. Overall/Multi-Class Websites Offical Sony EQ Page
  2. Allakhazam's Magical Realm
  3. Casters Realm
  4. Everlore
  5. Mob Hunter
  6. RPG Blacklist
  7. EQ Traders
  8. Lucy (Spell/Item Database)
  9. Illia's EverQuest Beastiary

  1. Maps/UI: EQ Atlas
  2. EQ Maps
  3. EQGUI
  4. EQ Interface
  5. EQ Skins

  1. Message Boards: (Not including most sites w/attached boards) Official Sony Boards
  2. Paladins of Norrath
  3. The Safehouse
  4. Shadowknight.org

   

  1. Class Websites: The Beastlords' Den (This site)
  2. EQBeastlord (Beastlords)
  3. EQBerserker (Berserker)
  4. The Concert Hall (Bard)
  5. EQDiva (Bard)
  6. EQ Cleric (Cleric)
  7. The Mage Compendium(Magician)
  8. Norrath's Druids (Druid)
  9. Monkly Business (Monk)
 10. EQClasses (Necromancer)
 11. Paladins of Norrath (Paladin)
 12. The Ranger's Glade (Ranger)
 13. The Knightwatch (Shadowknight)
 14. EQ Shaman (Shaman)
 15. Shaman of Justice (Shaman)
 16. The Shaman's Crucible (Shaman)
 17. The Steel Warrior (Warrior)
 18. The Warrior's Forge (Warrior)
 19. Grafee's Wizard Compilation (Wizard)


See it now? ;)

This is a recent addition, we kept our word. We got a link from the com page, we put one from ours.  They still filter out our url though and well, we never did filter theirs ;)

not exactly sure why you think links to this site are still being filtered on the other site.  I can post them just fine.

Yantis is scared because the old board is slowly losing steam and he wants to increase his PR by seeming to not care about people using this board. Hes hoping that by having cross links more people will post there meaning more money for his pockets.

Yantis has nothing to do with the decision to start cross-linking.  Seriously, some of you are just trying to drum up conspiracy where there is none.

We have crosslinking, the problems of information finding/sharing are now resolved.  

I think nw would be a really good time to say 'nuff said.

/ooc "Want to buy Dead Horse... must be fresh and unflogged!"

Quote from: Thrashum GudWe have crosslinking, the problems of information finding/sharing are now resolved.  

I think nw would be a really good time to say 'nuff said.

/agree

Thumbs up to both sets of Admins

Now, to find this Ghost that Jaeren speaks of & smack him around the head and neck a bit ;)

This horse has been beaten to death :) Im locking this thread also.