SoD pet SUCKS

[Panthur]

Guess i go back to using sof pet till its fixed, only good thing about the lv 83 one is itssoWEAK i can litteraly pet kite.

[Vidyne]

Insta-cast on the run dots.
Weaker tanking pet

We are SK!

[Obsessedwith]

we need to take this to the soe boards and NOT let it die.

[Camikazi]

Once they see it is about one class it will get moved, and don't think anyone reads Class boards on EQ Forum. And OMG the flames once they see what is being said :P Since from what I can tell, lots of people consider us overpowered to the point of destroying the game.

[Eflynn]

I posted on Vet. Boards (thread: Stealth Nerf) mainly about the nerf to Promised line, and so far it hasn't been moved and its getting support from other classes.  Seems like the spell Dev has managed to piss off almost every class.

[Panthur]

Post linky plz :)

[Eflynn]

Here:  http://forums.station.sony.com/eq/posts/list.m?topic_id=142379

[Vidyne]

Quick 10min parse.  Will try to a longer one later.
These are defensive parses(the mob's damage on the pet)


Hoshkar
206,641 damage taken over 10:21
332.76dps taken
1964 max hit
597 Avg hit
344 minimum hit
346 hits

Silverwing
154,747 damage taken over 10:21
249.19dps taken
1924 max hit
590 Avg hit
304 minimum hit
262 hits

Same Monster used both times.
No buffs used
EM1 focus

So..

1% mitigation loss
40 point less minimum hit(shielding?)
32% increase in getting hit by the mob.

Now for the DPS parses
Arag's Celerity was the only buff used
Enhanced Minion 1
The enemy was a very low con, but was the only thing i could find with sufficient HP.

Hoshkar
186,238 damage over 10:32
294.68 dps
294.68 claw dps
0 Bash dps
207 max hit(non crit)
Accuracy 67.14%
954 hits
333 misses
195 Average Hit


Silverwing
166,521 damage over 10:32
263.48 dps
256.39 claw dps
7.10 bash dps
167 max hit (non crit)
Accuracy 70.60%
1024 claw hits
320 claw misses
Average claw 158.55

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Final Conclusion
11% more dps(may be higher on higher con mobs, as con affect chance to hit alot, and +5 will help Hoshkar)
30% loss in tanking ability
+3000 HP
+5 Levels

Do I risk putting Hoshkar out for 11% more dps when it is no where near as effective as Silverwing tanking?
Is Hoshkar truely a warrior?  It doesn't bash, but it does enrage.  It doesn't tank like one...

[Panthur]

Even enraged my lv 83 pet gets one rounded.

Last expansion, me and pet tanked eqully, at least we did till i maxed out defensives, then i pulled away improving some. Usualy, i do my pet defensives etc aas first, as i can attend MY PET better then i can attend myself via heals. This worked fantastic for sof in fortress trash. If i got two mobs (keep in mind no merc then) pet was able to off tank the add, while we both beat up the first.

My complain about the new sod pet is that this scaling ability isnt happening with SOD warder. It's way by far weaker then it should be in defence and offence. My heals are no longer efficient to allow pet to offtank a trash iksar in field of scale. I have no ability to even pet cleric my warder, even WITH a merc. Thats the big problem. A merc keeps me up just fantasticaly on a single mob. Put the warder in same place, and he fails as a tank miserably.

Granted some mobs SHOULD 1 round me and my pet, but trash in field of scale really shoudn't...unless i accidently hit a dragon ...btw Talendar hits for 14.5 k:P

EDIT: I havent paid attention if my warder bashes or not. I'll keep a better eye out after patch.

EDIT 2: Forgotto mention for the part regarding pet tanking in FM that i was just getting into sol gear with sof cultural, had over 2k aas and had all defensives maxed on both me and warder up to sof ones. Think at the time I had 26k hp with the both of us buffed. And 2 somes were ALWAYS a challenge, but it was an acceptable challenge, not a 'scrape me up' plz challange.

[Khauruk]

Forwarded to Rytan - thanks Vidyne.  I also couldn't resist throwing in some more comments on our pets to hopefully influence their thinking for next expansion.

[Vidyne]

Hoshkar EM1
195,938 damage in 10:01
326.02 dps taken
1964 max hit
612 avg hit
344 minimum hit
Accuracy 59.93%
Evasion 23.36%
Defense 9.36%
320 hits
164 Misses
18 blocks
9 Dodges
14 Parries
9 Ripostes


Silverwing EM1
148,227 damage in 10:02
246.22 dps in 10:02
1924 max hit
572.31 average hit
304 minimum hit
47.70% accuracy
33.80% evasion
17.68% defense
259 hits
188 misses
48 blocks
20 dodges
28 ripostes

Hoshkar Unfocused
197.316 damage in 10:01
328.31 dps in 10:01
2054 max hit
642.72 avg hit
344 minimum hit
59.04% accuracy
23.94% evasion
9.81% defense
307 hits
162 misses
21 blocks
10 dodges
10 parries
10 ripostes

Silverwing Unfocused
182,544 damage in 10:02
303.23 dps in 10:02
2054 max hit
654 avg hit
344 minimum hit
51.01% accuracy
43.28% evasion
21.21% defense
279 hits
152 misses
49 blocks
33 dodges
34 ripostes

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Granted I know the percentages don't add up,but yalp is an old parser I guess.  The misses/blocks/hits/dodges/ripostes are there tho, if someone wants to re-run the numbers.

[Panthur]

Did an exp aa run in rss, and the warder was just getting raped by these things, he coudnt even off tank one of THOSE wimpy light blue gelidran or a fem flappy hes so pitifuly bad. (

[Vidyne]

Unless I'm going to be fighting red/yellow cons to 85,  I'm summoning silverwing for now.
There is no benefit in summoning Hoshkar,   I contemplated deleting it, but just moved it to the back of the spell book.
Hoshkar should be better on red/yellow cons, because those are so much higher level than silverwing that they should get enough of a con-bonus to defense/offense that it would beat out the natural superiority of silverwing over hoshkar.

Silverwing is a level 75 warrior in Solteris raid gear.
Hoshkar is a level 80 rogue in Crystallos group gear.

78 pet seems like a lower level mage's air pet
83 pet seems like an equivalent mage's water pet

That's my best way to put the difference between them.

[Panthur]

A rogue in crystallos gear tanks better :P

At least a PC rogue. I duno WTF our warder is classed as for 83 lv, but it certainly isn't any warrior. It can't even bash!

Havent seen it backstab, kick or anything else


When's the next patch and how long do we have to wait for any kind of remedy?  :?

[Mardorf]

I've been playing with Silverwing only... Hoshkar sucks to bad, not worth my time.