SOD pet can't tank still

[Vidyne]

Your pet's max hit with EM1 is 217, scrat?
What level of pet flurry/crit aa do you have?
210dps is right around what a beastlord warder is with EM1 and no flurry/crit.
Clearly you have flurry/crit however.

That puts necro pets even weaker than warders in dps, which i'm not sure if time has held that true for previous pets.
That would mean that necros did not get the boost in SoF that mag/enc/sk received.  That just leaves shamans to confirm their pets, which I've seen a shaman comment that their max hit I think is 156, so I would assume they also were overlooked.

So I'll add them into my list
Gives us a breakdown of (with no AA, only focuses):

SoD SS mage air pet - 510dps

SoF SS mage air pet - 415dps

SoD EM1 bst pet with flurry17 and crit20 - 290dps + 55 proc dps

SoD Sk pet - believe it was 275dps

SoD rk 2 Enc pet with flurry3/crit3 - 275dps

SoD rk 2 Enc pet - 265dps

SoD EM1 bst pet - 210dps + 40 proc dps

SoF rk 2 Enc pet - 224dps

SoD EM1 Nec 82 pet - 210dps + 10 proc dps(flurry and crit maxed)

SoF EM1 bst pet - 169dps + 35 proc dps

TSS SS Mage Air pet - 162dps

SoD rk 2 Shm pet - 157dps

OoW SS Mage Air pet - 140dps

TSS EM1 Bst pet - 136dps

SoF rk 2 Shm pet - 120dps

OoW SoChaos 70 Bst pet - 96dps

TSS Enc rk 1 pet - 72dps

TSS Shm rk 1 pet - 71dps

Pet DPSwise,
1. Magician by a huge margin
2. SK by a slight margin
3. Enc by a slight/decent margin
4. Bst by a slight/decent margin
5. Necro by unknown margin
6. Shaman

Pet tanking,
1.  Magician
2.  Nec/Bst(still trying to compare my parses to nec)
4.  Sk
5.  Enc(close to SK tho)
?.  Shaman

Back on topic,  redoing tanking parses on test atm,  Sof pets are still slightly outtanking SoD pets, for both mage and beast.  The difference is only 1-3 % or so though.

Beastlord - EM1 focus/sturdy companion 3
54.6% accuracy
27.27% misses
7.7% blocks
5.1% dodges
5.2% ripostes
444 avg hit

Magician - SS focus
46.8% accuracy
23.08% misses
12.7% blocks
5.1% dodges
5.6% parries
6.5% ripostes
465 avg hit

Necro - EM1 focus/sturdy companion 3
47.62% accuracy
23.18% misses
12.21% blocks
5.83% parries
5.28% dodge
5.88% ripostes
506 avg hit

Enchanter 81 pet rk2, no AA
48.79% accuracy
21.35% misses
13.03% blocks
4.6% dodges
6.05% parries
6.05% ripostes

I'm noticing a pattern?

[Ravenlock]

That is interesting, I seriously can't believe necro's aren't more upset that the SK pet does more DPS then the necro pet.  I wonder how many necro's out there know about this.

Two major pet classes pet should never be outdone by a SK pet.  So it sounds like out of the three major pet classes, only one actually has a pet that can tank and put out good DPS.  This is not good, but should help our cause.

[scrat]

A couple things to note-

All my parses for necro pets (unless specifically stated as on some of the SoF parses) are using a naked pet with zero buffs.  We can haste our pet 70%, giving it +10% dmg mod and +122 str and 36 ac (rk2 Sigil of the Aberrant).  An example of what this buff does can be found on this parse using the rogue pet http://www.editgrid.com/user/imoloch/Necro_80_rogue_pet_parse where it increases DPS by around 80%.  I don't think I've done hasted parses for the warrior pet, because it's what we use to tank summoners i.e. DPS is not a concern.


On my parses, unless otherwise explicitly stated - all parses are done from a maximum pet AA perspective.  For necro's we get aprox:
30% flurry rate (SoD)
23% critical hit rate (SoD)


On the whole who's pet dps > who's...our community at large considers our pets to be on the bottom of our priority list when it comes to seeking class improvements or code stuff.  For most players, the necro pet is only 10-20% of our total DPS package - so we have a hard time justifying efforts spent on such a small part of what we do.

[Grbage]

These parses show the pets are closer then we thought but there is two glaring differences. Our pet blocks ~5% less then the other pets and doesn't parry at all when the others do. If we can get the devs to fix these two points we'll pick up some ground vs mobs.

As I posted in that thread, if pet defensive abilities are closer then we thought then either mages have more tools to keep a pet alive or actually use those tools while we don't. I'm in the category of keeping one pet heal up and us aa heal. If that doesn't do it the pet dies. Which is back to the point that the pet doesn't put out enough dps to make it worth keeping it alive.

[Vidyne]

A couple things to note-

All my parses for necro pets (unless specifically stated as on some of the SoF parses) are using a naked pet with zero buffs.  We can haste our pet 70%, giving it +10% dmg mod and +122 str and 36 ac (rk2 Sigil of the Aberrant).  An example of what this buff does can be found on this parse using the rogue pet http://www.editgrid.com/user/imoloch/Necro_80_rogue_pet_parse where it increases DPS by around 80%.  I don't think I've done hasted parses for the warrior pet, because it's what we use to tank summoners i.e. DPS is not a concern.

So you're warrior pet is doing 210dps without haste?

Unhasted EM1 hoshkar
83,087dmg in 9:45
142.03dps
207/323 max(crit)
54 min
164.20 avg

[Lenoth]

Defensive Parses : All done with no buffs/discs
close to 35 min(2050sec) duration each.
Done vs Test 85 dummy.
Pet attacking at the same time. done 30/1 early AM CET
All pet AA's. (did not use activated ones)

Silverwing EM4 focus: (2050)
NPC Swings : 2380
avg hit: 639
Defended 17,7%
Hit 54,5%
Missed 27,7%
Accuracy 66,3%
Dodged 5,4%
Blocked 8,1%
Riposted 5,4%

Hoshkar No Focus: (2048sec)
NPC Swings : 2438
avg hit: 842
Defended 18,4%
Hit 59,4%
Missed 22,2%
Accuracy 72,8%
Dodged 6,7%
Blocked 7,7%
Riposted 5,2%

Hoshkar EM4 focus: (2051sec)
NPC Swings : 2395
avg hit: 603
Defended 19,6%
Hit 54,4%
Missed 26%
Accuracy 67,6
Dodged 7%
Blocked 7,9%
Riposted 6,1%

OFFENSIVE parses (No buffs off any kind, from same fights as above) :
Silverwing EM4
dmg : 232387
DPS 113
Non-crit rate 76,2%
Crit rate 23,8%
Attempts 2964
Accuracy 61,4%
avg hit 78
Max hit 276

Hoshkar Unfocused
dmg : 226421
DPS 111
Non-crit rate 75,4%
Crit rate 24,6%
Attempts 2942
Accuracy 60,4%
avg hit 76
Max hit 285

Hoshkar EM4
dmg : 298888
DPS 146
Non-crit rate 77,6%
Crit rate 22,4%
Attempts 2994
Accuracy 62,9%
avg hit 99
Max hit 339