So I'm hunting 4 arms in ME with my wife's cleric for shits and giggles. I'd like to pick up an AX belt and maybe some gems of the void. Anyway, she pacified the mobs and I pulled with slow. It is slow going, but nice to get away from overcrowded zones, and nice to spend some alone time with my wife in EQ.
Well, we're there for a little over an hour when some ranger comes into the zone and starts /ooc Looking to loot a rotting AX belt! After a few of those with no response from anyone in the zone, he starts /ooc CAMP CHECK!
Okay... Camp check... I /ooc 4 Arms at Akheva Zone. About 10 seconds later I get a tell from the ranger saying something like, hey dude can I loot an AX belt if one drops.
I respond by saying, I'm here looking for one too, but if one drops after I get mine, you can come loot it.
No response...
Okay cool, I go back to killing 4 arms.
10 mins later, a train of coteri and skeletons rampage through our camp. Luckily my wife and I were able to get to the zone before we got decimated by the sheer amount of mobs that were there... I didn't even see anyone pull that train.
Okay we zone back in to ME, and go back to killing 4 arms. Trained again without warning, this time we both die. Okay we're both bound in PoK, so we make the run back to ME after my and I grab a KEI. We get back to find the ranger at our camp spot with a group of his friends. We loot our bodies and ask for our camp spot back.
They reply that they got here and nobody was there, so the camp was theirs. We tell them that we were trained, and our corpses were obviously there, and we just rezzed and looted them. Basically they told us to beat it because they wouldn't share. It was a lvl 48 ranger two lvl 65 and two red anynomous group members.
Anyway, we had about given up because it was starting to get late and we didn't want to fight with these people. I can't prove it was them who trained us because I didn't actually see anyone when the train hit. But it just seems kinda suspicious to me that all of a sudden, my wife and I are trained twice. We survive the first train, then die on the second. Then, when we get back the camp, it is taken by the same lvl 48 ranger looking for an AX belt with a few high level friends.
What the hell is the matter with people in this game?
Welcome to EQ, land of people that love to cause grief.. land of the idiots.. land of the terminally stupid.. and occasionally I hear the land of sane, nice people. Too bad that last type seems tobe a rare spawn :P
There are too many jackasses and idiots in this game, but dont let it get you down, there are plenty of nice people too.
What is the matter with people in the game? They are people in RL and know they have anonymity.
Btw, whoever pulls first gets dibs if you want to compete against them. They can try to KS you but if you want to elevate this sort of thing to a /petition then get ready with logs and tasty SS's. Since you were there for gems and a belt, you could have just focussed on the Xi that wander near there for gems too. And with them camped at the AR zone, don't forget its all fine to zone any 'bad pulls' there ... let them know as you run by of course. :wink:
Anonymity is not fool proof in EQ. You can still do a /guildstatus on someone in zone that is anonymous to find out if they are a member of a guild or not.
You can also do /who to find out who is in zone at the time of the trains then do a screen capture or log dump to collect information for a later petition.
Quote from: AneyaAnonymity is not fool proof in EQ. You can still do a /guildstatus on someone in zone that is anonymous to find out if they are a member of a guild or not.
You can also do /who to find out who is in zone at the time of the trains then do a screen capture or log dump to collect information for a later petition.
What I meant by anonymity is that you don't know that Sosando is really John Smith living at 222 Tudor Terrace in Kalamazoo, TX, USA and thus when he trains you to steal your camp, you go over there and punch him in the nose.
Time and time again, guilds will stick up for their members not matter how butt-headish their members behave, much like some mothers will stand up for their serial-killer children, to the point of being disturbing.
Assholes will be assholes, in RL as well as in game. This kind of thing happens all the time, and mostly us "nice guys" tend to assume the best in people. Mostly, they let us down.
The /ooc's between you and the ranger pretty much prove he trained you, and at the very least would prove to a GM that he knew you were camped there, and had to know you would be back for your corpse.
Sounds like a /petition to me.
I bring up the Anonimous bit because it provides you with some information. I was refering to the original poster mentioning that the 2 65s where playing /anon. If the 65s are unguilded it has certain implications. If they are part of a reputable guild you may be able to complain to an officer. If they are part of a guild of ill repute, enougth petitions can get the guild disbanded etc.
There are some shady guild out there that have been warned that if they ever train another player, raid or what ever, they are history.
I have had similar problems with camps in the past...and a few led to rather heated arguments....after which I usually realize taht I was getting all would up over some arsehole and a GAME.
Nowadays I jsut put them on ignore and walk away - it isn't worth getting all riled up over, even if it IS irritating.
I had someone in BoT decide his group should have the named we were fighting. His group stood back far enough not to aggro while he trained about 8-12 mobs on us. Somehow, while I was running for the zone, I ran right into the middle of his group and died, along with his whole group. :P
Well that does suck. I was wondering as I was reading the story if it would be beneficial to have a forum where stories such as this could be posted. Thinking here is that if the name of the player, server, and situtation of what happened was posted people would be able to watch out for these individuals in game. This would allow others to avoid them and might lead to some accountabilty for ones self. I know you said you couldn't be for sure it was him, but I would hazard to say it was probably him. Malicious intent shouldn't go un-noticed. If there was record of people performing such acts in game maybe they would think twice before doing such things.
Just a thought. Maybe not even worth worrying about though. :?
My old guild over on Nameless once had a Hall of Shame section where people could post stories of bad experiences they have had with other players/guilds. We removed it within a week when some other's began making "grief posts" about other players just in an attempt to smear their name.
Unfortunately in our society sometimes being accused of doing something wrong is tatamount to actually having done it whether you are proven innocent later or not. It just seemed to be more of a hassle than it was worth and there was a lot of potential to cause a lot more damage than it could possibly prevent/repair.
After thinking about it a little more it would probably be a nightmare to deal with. I'm guessing the rants serve the purpose and allow you to vent. After all it is just a game right. :)
Sorry didn't mean to highjack your rant Atropine. :oops:
Well, for The Tribunal, we have a sticky post in the flame section of the message board named 'pieces of monky shit", where notorious trainers, scammers and other assorted POMS are listed. Since you usually get flamed yourself by some people who live on the flameboard it prevents most postings like 'XY stole my orc pawns' and usually only leaves the 'deserving' scum. :)
Quote from: AneyaIf the 65s are unguilded it has certain implications.
I'm level 65 with ~60aa and I'm unguilded. What exactly does that imply?
Not everyone who is high level and unguilded is a bad player or person. I hear this a lot, and it kind of bothers me. If I choose to be unguilded, please don't hold it agaist me on the face of it without getting to know me in some fashion. If you chose not to group with me or associate with me just due to the fact that there is no guild title after my name, that's your loss... :(
And to add to the insult, there are guilded players who are absolute idiots and the worst types of people. Not all, but some. I really hope you aren't selecting who you associate with solely on their guild status... you'll still run into plenty of very bad players that way.
fozz
Quote from: FozzikQuote from: AneyaIf the 65s are unguilded it has certain implications.
I'm level 65 with ~60aa and I'm unguilded. What exactly does that imply?
It could imply a lot of things. It could mean you do not wish to be part of a guild. It could mean that you are between guilds. It means you can not be judged based on the reputation of a guild. It also means that the ways in which we resolve conflicts would be different then if you where guilded.
In my original statement, which admitedly might have been badly stated, I was trying to point out that doing a /guildstatus gives you information about a toon. If a toon is guilded you can make some assumptions based on the guild they are part of and try to resolve the conflict accordingly. If a toon is not guilded, other tactics might be needed to resolve the conflict. In either case, what you find out about those toons will affect how you deal with them.
Actually, guild status does play a large part in who I select to associate with. When I try to fill out spots in a group, I will pick people from my friends list first. Then people from guilds in my good book first. If non are available, I will look for unguilded toons or toons from my neutral books. I don't bother looking at people in my bad book. But we digress.
<---- unguilded.
Bah and double Bah!
When creating groups, I just like you, check friends list first. Then, after that point, it's all entirely random.
I know A$$holes in great guilds, great people in great guilds, A$$holes in what would be considered quesionable guilds and good guys in what would be questionable guilds.
Guild status means jack-$hit.
All it really means if someone is not guilded is that you have to deal with them directly or through a /petition instead of contacting an officer of their guild.
As far as camps go, in that situation, I wouldn't leave. Whoever engages a mob first has rights to that mob.
Had a similar instance happen to me in TM/vamp castle. When I'm running to TM from Grimling I notice a 51 ranger just ahead of me. I zone in and it's just me and him there.
We all know that a 51 ranger can in no way handle the vamp castle. So I go there and summon pet, start to set up and THEN hear, "Vamp castle camped". I kindly return the favor with, "Yes, it is".
A 61 necro the goes about telling me how the ranger is his alt and was here first, etc, etc...
I laugh at him and tell him that I will not respect that camp call because the ranger CANNOT handle this camp and I was the first in zone and to the castle that can actually handle it.
So we start pulling, side by side...
I get the first name, I get the 2nd name. He gets the 3rd name (RM - the wizzy vamp) and his ranger promptly bites the dust, his pet promptly bites the dust and he evidentally FD's. Now his name has added on me and my name. NP, I take them. I head up and get the last name on top floor.
On my way back down, I notice him with too generals on him... he gets FD off at (I shit you not) 2%. Pet and I manhandle his generals, /target dumbassnecro, /laugh.
Then the flamer asks me to join him. I laugh again and tell him he can have the camp now, I got what I came for. Then throw him an SD and paragon and head out.
Moral of the story, the jerks are everywhere...
...there are ways of still getting an enjoyable experience out of the game while dealing with them though. 8)
Guild status does tell you something about a person. There are some guilds in which an idiot would never last long - I like to pick people from those guilds before a random unguilded person.
That's not to say that an unguilded person is necessarily good or bad, it just means I have better chances getting someone decent from a guild I know has decent leadership.
Quote from: HrannThere are some guilds in which an idiot would never last long
It doesn't matter if an idiot is only in a guild for one day... if you ask him on that day because you choose on the basis of guildstatus, you got an idiot in your group.
Reputation I feel is more important than a tag over your head. When I go LFG, people say "Hey! there's fozzy!" rather than "well, theres a guy from guildX, he's probably ok."
I wouldn't say I'm super well known or anything, but I think I'm on enough friends lists that I rarely have a problem getting a group. Mostly because people gave me a chance, and were pleasantly suprised. :D
Like I said, choosing on the basis of a guildtag is your loss... there are many guilded people that are only in a guild for the sole reason of the ease in finding a group. =)
fozz
well Karma is alive and well in Norranth.
Thats actually the best thing i enjoyed about when i was playing on a PvP server especially since i was a Necro.
If some yahoo tried something like that, id put him on my shytelist and make his life a living hell from that point on 8)
But on the flipside considering the area you were at which ive camped for many an hour its also entirely possible that you could have been the victim of the many unintentional trains that plague ME from people trying to make it to Akeva for a raid or group even though they are invis obviously makes no difference since many things there are undead and see through invis thus aggro on the invis person.
ME probably has the most and nastiest trains of about any zone.
Only time I've had problems with trains at the AR zone line is when we where shard camping and my bard friend tried to pull Savant camp.
Normally, I just watch from a distance while people train AR. If you sit in the safe valley its nearly impossible to get trained unless they do it on purpose. They are usualy kind enougth to ooc it first. I suspect that the original posted didn't get an ooc, as in it was an intentional train.
Regardless I find it stupid that people train AR. Its really not that hard to get to AR invis, I do it all the time.
As for nasty trains, the nastiest train I've seen was in BoT. Someone trained all of Earth to zone line. That was a train!
Wow, that's terrible =( I guess some people are just born stupid, or act like jackasses... Don't you wish it was one of the Zeks, so you can corpse camp them? I do. :)