This is about tanking yourself full-time, not off-tanking for a bit, or aiding your tanking pet now and then.
I am currently level 59 and still having fun in Ykesha and other non-PoP zones, boxing my party of 5(druid/cleric/mage/necro). I have been adding healing power to my group lately, and the cleric is climbing up fast. Now Healing and DPS is all nice and dandy, but that does not necessarliy mean I can tank yet.
I have Bazaar-bought gear (the higher end stuff, but still nothing Uber) and a Tunic of Kinship(my only Raid piece), and 3 AA's. :) My magelo is down the post. AC with current partybuffs is around 1050, Hp is nearing 4k.
I hate kiting with a vengeance and never plan to do it. I do not like my pet tanking either, it's just not my thing. I want to play with the mob too and I dislike pet-clericing. I favor the non-stop killing and melee contact I have now with my BL and his backup party(it's why I started boxing so frantically), and do not want to change this way of playing. I have lots of DPS with my Mage and Necro, so fights will be somewhat shorter then your average two-boxer. However, the way PoP trash mobs are eating me up right now when I get their attention in a Guild-raid, is frighteningly disturbing.
So I am guessing at least the 50% slow is needed. How many AA"s (the defensive ones) am I looking at before I can reliable TANK in zones like PoI and PoD? I ask this because right now I honestly do not see how even a CH cleric and druid could keep up with the healing, the way simple trash mobs are knocking down my hp's. I could be dead in 10 well-placed blows! Will I be needing 90+ AA's or some? Most posts from people soloing in the planes seem to be either from very Uber Beastlords or those that kite. If fighting in the planes means I have to pretty much drain my party from mana all the time and then med, I may just skip the whole "grind in the planes" anyway. It's the non-stop fighting that I made my party for.
Thanks!
EDIT: Umm, my Magelo was down there on the other forums, let me get that straight here too. :)
It's more about levels then AA. At least for first tier planes. At 65 I can solo PoI/PoD/PoN pretty easy. In a group, with 50 AA, I can tank tier 2 zones pretty well as long as I have a solid healer duoing with me. I still need a lot more AA before I think I'll be any good for tier 3 stuff other then as an offtank.
im thinking once you get about lvl 62 you will be alot better off as far as tanking in POI/POD/PON.
But best AAs to get tanking wise are CA3/LR5
I tanked very well in POI when i was lvl 61-62 had just basic bazaarwear zero defensive AAs but did have my AGI at 255, somewhere around 5K Hps, I got pretty hammered by the Archaic models but OK with most everything else.
and it certainly doesnt hurt to max your AGI regardless what all the neysayer/parse fanatics say.
I didnt bother with AAs much til I got to lvl 65, i just got enough to barely get Paragon then put 100% exp into leveling to 65, once you get 65 put 100% exp into AAs and you can make AAs WAY easier and faster.
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So I am guessing at least the 50% slow is needed. How many AA"s (the defensive ones) am I looking at before I can reliable TANK in zones like PoI and PoD? I ask this because right now I honestly do not see how even a CH cleric and druid could keep up with the healing, the way simple trash mobs are knocking down my hp's.
First off, you do need a bigger slow. A 30% slow on PoP mobs isn't really going to get the job done.
I'm currently at level 62 and I have CA2, but no other defensive aa's. My magelo doesn't have the exact correct numbers, as I have a little over 1000 ac unbuffed, but it is close. Assuming I have a compenent group, I can tank most xp mobs in a first tier plane, as well as pit mobs in Drunder (I'm not really sure what this camp is called, but it's where the stampede with the piglet spawns), trash in Crypt of decay, and anything in a normal difficulty level 65 LDON, including the named which can hit for up to 550 or so. Note that I can't really solo tier one yet, as the downtime is excessive even with buffs leftover from raids.
So, no you don't need 300 aa's to be able to tank. I'd say if you got to level 62 (basically to get the level 60 pet) and about 20 aa's, you should be fine in tier one and some tier 2. Also, try experimenting a bit with your heal strategy. The clerics I prefer to group with do a lot more than just use CH. Adding the better heals-over-time or instant heals from either the druid or the cleric could make a big difference in how your group operates.
Thanks so far for the advice, folks. I was indeed planning to level to 62 first before hitting the planes, but it is good to hear I won't have to grind AA's forever first to succeed there.
Gimrol, I should indeed learn to maximize my healing, though this is hard at the moment, grinding mostly blues that go down quit quickly through the combined DPS. This means I hardly have to heal, and the cleric and druid are FM almost constantly. When the going gets tough, as in 1 or two adds, I realize I have to get my healing down a LOT better. But that's all part of the fun, getting better and better to manage this group.
"and it certainly doesnt hurt to max your AGI regardless what all the neysayer/parse fanatics say."
This is my running problem with some of your posts nunya it *CAN* hurt to max your agi. At the very high end when you are proc'n avatar or are running 280/305 unbuffed str/dex/etc sure take on AGI. I've picked up the last three or four agi augs out of LDoN because other than hps the rest really weren't doing much for me. However, he's 59, he's in bazaar gear admittedly not "uber". Now if you keep everything else the same, that is here's item A with XXX and here's item B with XXX + 5agi. That's great getting 5 agi won't hurt you. However, do you honestly want to see 30's, 40's, and 50's bst running around in +6agi/dex rings instead of 5ac/55hp or whatever rings because they think agi does a LOT more than it really does?
No agi won't hurt you, just like getting certain AA won't, but you are giving it up other things in this case. I'm not anti-agi, I even run a higher agi than most, but seriously a lot of your posts come across endorsing certain things that will make the character worse. It's all pretty minor really one item here or there isn't likely to make that big of a different, but it's still possible. Also no parser/naysayer has ever to my knowledge said that agi makes you take *more* damage or hinders you. They simply say that it doesn't show enough of a benefit verse other things and if you have those options go with them first if you really want.
im not exactly sure just how i have to word stuff in here to get you people to understand what im saying instead of putting words in my mouth that im simply not saying.
what part of this "It certianly doesnt hurt to max your AGI" says forget everything else F8uck AC to hell with HPs, Dex? Bah screw Dex, just concentrate on AGI BoyE and only AGI?
you guys need to try just read what it is im ACTUALLY saying and stop freaking trying to read between some lines that are'nt there.
No matter what you do at lvl 59, as you upgrade your AGI is going to go up wether you like it or not. you would probably have to try hard to avoid it
Most of the better Beastlord gear has decent AGI on it, most of it also has crappy AC thats just the curse of wearing Leather.
We are an avoidance class, even IF you could get really good AC like over 1400+ your not going to get the same benefit from it as Plate classes do.
Myself right now ALL i aim for is HPs period, well and maybe some resist, but 90% of what im going for is HPs HPs HPs.
But that because im maxed at 305 on Str/Sta/Agi/Dex when buffed. im at 289 Wis which is fine and about 1282 AC buffed.
although with a Bard in group im maxed at 500 on all resist also.
My ultimate goal is 9000Hps which ill probably never see, still need little over 1300Hps and i can only see maybe another 400-500 in the future
Quotewhat part of this "It certianly doesnt hurt to max your AGI" says forget everything else F8uck AC to hell with HPs, Dex? Bah screw Dex, just concentrate on AGI BoyE and only AGI?
The part of what you say that says forget everything else is this:
Quoteand it certainly doesnt hurt to max your AGI regardless what all the neysayer/parse fanatics say.
The reason why should be fairly clear. Unless someone has access to uber gear, maxing a stat is a TRADEOFF. It's not a gimme. One will be LOWERING some other stat to raise their agility. It's as simple as that. So, you're more than entitled to your feelings. Where people are going to call you on it though is when you give advice that flies the face any tangible evidence.
I've read many of your posts. I know that you very obviously have a deeply seated belief in the value of agility. But keep in mind that there's a very significant difference between giving agility some props and telling someone to max a stat that beastlords aren't even able to self-buff. If you feel persecuted by the parsers why don't you collect some evidence and parse it for the rest of us. You're the one with the maxed agility so you should be the ideal person to empirically test this. However until you do this, you continue to give out advice that sounds a lot like, "The earth is flat because I haven't fallen off yet."
well i still fail to see how you can misinterpet that sentence to mean screw all other stats just max AGI.
If fact is says and was meant to say, Just simply dont forget about AGI because its not nearly as useless as the parsers say it is.
Hell even the only slightly decent parse ive seen done by a BEASTLORD, (im not interested in the slightest what any stat does or doesnt do on a Plate class) clearly (if you believe every parse you see as gospel) showed that there was a approx 3% increase in misses just going from around 190 AGI to i think was just over 200, so less than 20AGI.
I hardly call that useless.
as far as me doing some parse, If you had read many of post I think i also clearly state that i dont really believe the vast majority of them because they are so skewed in one way or another. so i dont see the need to waste alot of time mulling over numbers.
The ONLY need I see for parses of anykind personally is just to determine the DPS between various weapons, other than that they are useless to me and to me at least are more misleading than they are are helpfull.
Just about every beastlord here looks at some parse some Warrior did on the effects of AC and now thinks if he as a leather wearing Beastlord gets his AC higher he is going to mitigate like he is wearing plate.
and he isnt not even close.
Fact is the RNG>All then comes your Level----then comes your AAs---
Then comes your "stats".
They are about the least important attribute on your Char.
I just love how everyone keys in on one sentence, completely misinterpets it, turns it into what YOU want it to mean, and totally disregards what I said really makes the most difference which is get from 59-62, then IF you choose to get AAs prior to lvling to 65 and you want to tank better I suggested CA3/LR5 as the 2 that i felt gave by far the best boost in tanking.
CA3 you know gives a solid 10% boost in Avoidance no parse needed.
LR5 I believe gives another 2% per lvl so 10%
That 20% avoidance boost made a HUGE difference in my tanking ability
IMO when i took my AGI from in the 150ish range to 305 it also added a decent percentage to my avoidance, what percentage? i have no idea.
But adding just less than 20AGI (according to the parse posted here "Not my opinion) supposedly showed roughly a 3% boost in avoidance.
Somehow i think the other 130+ i added may have added a few more percentages also, but thats just what I CHOOSE to believe, rest of ya can think it does absolutely ziltch, thats great.
and as you said yes there are some tradeoffs especially in lower lvl gear, although seems to me most of the tradeoffs i went though seemed to center more around Wisdom.
Most all of the decent gear has AGI, so if you want to get better AC and HPs your AGI is going up wether you like or not.
Some exceptions are jewelery such as Bracelet of Quickness comes to mind
Has decent AC but zero HPs....The "Tradeoff" is its easy to get and does give 12AC 15Dex 15AGI and +6 to all resist and when you count in the AC from the AGI its really 15AC, so at the time I opted to tradeoff a few HPs to get 15AC/Dex/AGI and decent resist.
I then traded that for a "Silver Bracelet of Speed"
38AC & 100Hps plus 10 wis and 41% Haste beat out the +15AC/Dex/Agi
Since then I traded off again to Dumuls bracer in which i lost about 15AC in trade for and extra 35Hps plus much better resist plus about 20atk and +17AGI.
The only reason i could do that is I still had a nice 41% haste item.
There are only 3 Bracers in game better so now my options are few and far between if ever, and one of those 3, which happens to be the best one, is still an upgrade to my AGI +25, go figure, how dare they put such a useless stat that does absolutely nothing on the very best Beastlord bracer in game....the freaking nerve.
and im sure everyone is going to nik pik this post also, which is fine, its simply my opinion no more no less.
Its actually kinda funny .
RNG>All
And I fail to see how you can fail to see that a new player being told to max their agility might end up screwing themself over when it comes to AC, HP or stats that are actually useful.
So, I guess that makes us even.
Each person can read through this and make up their own mind about the validity of each of our positions. I think that the necessary points have been made.
"No matter what you do at lvl 59, as you upgrade your AGI is going to go up wether you like it or not"
If agi is going to go up anyways then why even say it doesn't hurt? It's not the old roll over resist bug. No one has ever said more agi is bad. The simple truth is without primal and/or other high level gear to actually max your agi is going to cost you a *lot* of other stats. *shrugs* I dunno it's pointless. I really like how strongly you care/feel about your bst and stuff, but if you can't see that the wording you using and the opinions you often express can *hinder* a lot of beastlords reading it (and that's why me and others constantly post after you with followups and disclaimers) then there's nothing more I can say or do. You make your posts I'll post a follow up and me and you never actually have to exchange posts with each other, okies? Like I tell everyone enjoy *your* beastlord and have fun with him, good luck on 9k, TTFN.
i tank for a trio: cleric & ranger 2boxed, and myself. I have ND3 PE and CA2 and i haven't died in a LONG time from tanking in crypt of decay (which is where we usually go). however, it is viable to tank in halls of honor, or bastion of thunder courtyard (the bees, we don't do it cause he doesn't like the pulling). I have also tanked in tactics, but the mitigated slows usin terms of damage taken. THe cleric usually use AA's to heal, dva and cr, and in tactics he had to cheal several times a fight. we got some more dps and we were relatively ok. but my stats are in the profile. this is all without elemental access for gear, and little ornate (hopefully the first part will change soon :D)
i can (and usually do) solo in poi if my friend isn't around and im LFG, ill just solo there on downtime. I assume I could solo in pon or pod as well, but there is considerably less lag for me in poi. i also have soloed a few mobs in cod, but the downtime isn't really worth it, unless im doing something else at the same time.
And I fail to see how you can fail to see that a new player being told to max their agility might end up screwing themself over when it comes to AC, HP or stats that are actually useful.
LOL well AGI is actually usefull.
But thats besides the point, Im not now nor have i ever said to max your agi and forget everything else or at the expense of anything else.
Once again, just saying to simply consider it as you would anything else.
If you think AC is the magic bullet for a beastlord your the one that dreaming...we dont wear plate.
this is getting bit wierd kinda like im talking to somebody in English with a Chinese interpeter but the person im speaking to is German.
in other words fruitless
Actually, with the necro, mage, bst combo, I would do my very OWN PET GROUP. I would just sit back with your nukers/dotters and have the cleric heal the pets with the bst slow. Anyhow, it is a lot safer that way in my opinion. You can camp the spiders and dieflers in PoD easily. Pet groups are so powerful that they can do the wing names in BoT and easily handle the mobs in HoH and LDoN. But Tactics was the best place where I did a Pet group so far. Just my suggestion
-Ragnarson
I see your point, Ragnarrson, but when I would start fighting that way, I would get fed up with the game in about 3 evenings and cancel all my accounts. :) I admit that my tanking as a BL for such a high damage group (BL is still highest level though) may not be the smartest or most mana-efficient thing to do, but the most important reason I like playing my Beastlord so much is the fact that I can melee.
If I stop doing that I may as well go back to my old love the druid and go rot everything solo. ;) But it's good to hear our pets become such good tanks. Right now though, at level 59, I tank MUCH better then my pet. He gets eaten up fast when he is tanking Bloodguards in Torgiran Mines.
Cheers!
If you are adamant about tanking, get CA 3, CS 3, PE, LR 5 and ID 5 as soon as possible.
With CA 3, CS 3 and PE I can off tank some BoT giants in a bind.
I very dependably tank in all zones up to BoT, the key is deffensive AAs, a good 2HB weapon, max Sta. As far as Agi goes, yes it does help, but the only time I EVER have it maxed is when I am fully raid buffed, and getting the mob slowed, granted my gear and AA lvl is decnet at this point in time (sig is a link to my magelo) but I am regularly a tank in Pre Sol Ro Tower Exp groups (and off tank in Sol Ro) as well as LDoN.
Quote from: BulgeSo I am guessing at least the 50% slow is needed. How many AA"s (the defensive ones) am I looking at before I can reliable TANK in zones like PoI and PoD?
My beast, and my monk were MT in PoI, PoD, and PoN by 54. It could be a little iffy if slow didnt land on mob, but it is Very do able. This is with NO uber gear what so ever. Just Bazaar Bought items.. No Fungi, no uber weapons...
so, couldyou do at 59, ya very easily... My beast is setup with AC and HP as king with wisdom / mana following shortly therafter.
Just backing up the last post - with Bazaar gear, I was MT in PoI at ZI in a decent group, no problems. I tried tanking in the factory at 58, was ok with singles, but wiped pretty fast on doubles.
Tanked POI groups reguarly at 58-59.
Tanked in a 65 ldon ef group, rest were all lvl 65 with a cleric and shammy. Cleric was meleeing most of the adv, aggro was solid.
I think level has a lot to do with it. I am level 65, but I have almost no AA's so far. I am able to tank giants in BoT if necessary. I have tanked named in BoT as well, including mini-bosses. (not by choice, the MA died almost instantly for some reason) I would guess that it is incredibly mana-inefficient, but it is doable. Oh, and I am often the slower in the group. At least 65% slow is a must for this zone.
My gear is okay, but not great. Raid buffed I have about 6k hps. I have no defensive or offensive AA's yet.
I would suggest that any level 65 Beastlord with at least moderately decent bazaar gear should be fine tanking all Tier 1 and at least some Tier 2 zones with no AA's. The lower your level the more Defensive AA's you would need to be able to tank.
All this is not to say that you would be a *good* tank. Just that you *can* tank. I don't think that if you put a warrior and a beastlord side-by-side and had them tanking the same things that there would be much of a comparison, providing that they were similarly equipped, buffed, and AA'ed. Maybe some of the time geared Beastlords might disagree, I don't know. Seems to me that a time geared Warrior will still be a better tank.
My god, I have a headache now!
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Go buy Ornate and Save points for top end LoDN Armor.
First I will say this. HP > ALL for tanking.
Second to sucessfully tank as a beastlord in PoP Tiers get the following AA's
CA3 = 12AA
CS3 = 12AA
ND3 = 12AA
PE = 5AA
LR5 = 15AA
That will make several things happen.
More HP
Better Mitigation
Better Avoidance
More Rip/Block
All the above = Less Damage
around 6000 hps and 1100+ ac with the level 65 slow for tier 3.
I solo in hoh/bot regularly and these are about what i have when i go looking to do that. KEI is also a must or my mana runs out too soon in the battle. Paragon and pet mend are also BIG help.
Ive got one of the defensive arch types to level 3 the other to level 2 (forget which is which). both healing archtypes are level 3, as i have augmented both weapons with lifedraw procs. Im wielding i think its called 'stone etched mallet'(?) from the earth ring. (mud?) and epic in offhand. yea yea yea its backwards i know but i want the epic haste until i can either get a new weapon or another haste item.
Ive dropped a mob in sol ro before and 2-3 in fire although both places are very difficult, the mobs max hits go up from 550ish to 650ish and the pet loses its abilties to hold them off while i heal greatly. I have dpoc.
Not to be nit picky but LR5 = 15 aa's 3 per rank
Quote from: LosariavNot to be nit picky but LR5 = 15 aa's 3 per rank
Edited and thanks for catching that.
Well I think I fall into the catagory of non-uber. I have played full time tank in Bot against various giants and the bees. With my own buffs and virtue I sit right at 5400hp. Last time I tanked there I only had CA1 (currently at CA2 one AA from CA3) also have CS1. Don't have LR, ID, or PE but will be working on those next. I have been able to do it pretty reliably. Use FoL or disempower if I loose aggro, they usually get it back pretty quick. Never had a problem with Cleric being LOM. Hopefully this will give you an idea of a min of AA that you can start.
i off tank BoT giants...its painful...not fun...and sometimes kitten has to back me up untill that big heal lands...
but then again, i am probably uber gimp
i only break 1k ac if i have virtue on
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AC Does help but in PoP its almost all ways about the HP
mostly broken down to, u get all the avoidence AAs is one point, lvl 65 is one point, rest of defensive AA is one point, every 1khp is one point. assuming ur lvl 62, and 5khps exp buffed.
u can tank in tier one with 0 points okay
u can tank in tier one with 2 poitns with good proficiency
u can tank in tier two with 3 points with good proficiency
u can tank in tier three with 3 points (okay on exp mobs)
u can tank in tier three with 4 points with better proficiency
u can tank in tier three with 5 points with excellent proficiency
7kbuffed is achievable pre elemental, even pre VT.
Going back to the original post.
I have been soloing successfully in PoN as soon as I got my level 64 pet Spirit of Sorsha. with healing of Sorsha doing 4200 heal with the aa Healing gift.
I only had CA1, CS1, Combat Fury, Healing gift 1, Healing Asept 1, Finishing Blow. a total of 22 aa's to start with and I found it quite easy.
I am now 65 with 50 aa's and it is a lot easier but you can still do it with 64 pet no problem.
Lonyn
I've been tanking tier 3 trash mobs (BoT and specifically Tactics pit trash) since before I had any defensive AAs. My hps run in the low end of 5k with around 1100 ac and I have the 65% slow.
Tonight I tanked the Greater Pusling boss-types in CoD. They're unslowable and hit for the 612ish range. However, I have LR5 now.
The only thing you really need is a healer that understands how streaky our avoidance can be.
I will say that looking back things aren't as difficult as I thought they would be. I remember a quite few months ago when I thought it would be impossible for me to tank rats in PoD. Ahh.. ignorance.
Nunya I am not calling ya out or anything I myself keep agi as high as I can but to try and help ya out a little, when you said regardless that means above everything else so it is easy to see where others have misread what you meant. alot of times it is easy to misintrept things like that. Just trying to give ya a view point to see where others could say that.
For all those that are seriously determined that a max AGI is the key, the best way I have found is by getting a prismatic weapon. I have a piercer prismatic and I just switch to it for the proc, then go back to my h2h weapons after the proc hits.
No I don't think max AGI is the key, but with the prismatic weapon procced, I get all my melee stats maxed to 305.
-Elrathin-
-65 Feral Lord
Just thought I'd add that you don't have to worry about getting a 2hb to tank if you don't have one. If you do have one that you like, then by all means feel free to use it, but you don't have to think that you won't be able to be a useful tank without one. I don't even own one currently.
Quote from: BengaliJust thought I'd add that you don't have to worry about getting a 2hb to tank if you don't have one. If you do have one that you like, then by all means feel free to use it, but you don't have to think that you won't be able to be a useful tank without one. I don't even own one currently.
Ahhh...My ears are bleeding!! :cry:
I doubt ya needed full defensive AAs to tank tier3 either, but it sure does make it easier i'm guessing, doesn't it? :)
Well just want to put in my 2cp worth of experience. I am level 65, fully self buffed I have 3880 Hps, 1024 AC Ogre beast. I have 46 AAs, Paragon, SCR3, CA3, and BF3. I have Sha's Revenge and Ferocity and I cast Incapacitate and Frost Spear at mob. I can tank trash mobs in PoN, spiders, treants, and blood ravens. Accoding to Alla these mobs can go as high as level 55. What I noticed is that with these HPs and AC, I needed to back off at least once to heal myself. Weapons are delightful orb and waning light katar. I got Virtue and KEI yesterday which brought my AC to 1077 and the AC increased made a huge difference. I tanked ravens, spiders, and treants all the way without backing out to heal myself. Its a nice place to AA, 2% per AA. Finish 54% AA in 2 hours.
Quote from: TommbaQuote from: BengaliJust thought I'd add that you don't have to worry about getting a 2hb to tank if you don't have one. If you do have one that you like, then by all means feel free to use it, but you don't have to think that you won't be able to be a useful tank without one. I don't even own one currently.
Ahhh...My ears are bleeding!! :cry:
I doubt ya needed full defensive AAs to tank tier3 either, but it sure does make it easier i'm guessing, doesn't it? :)
You don't have to guess, 2hb does make it easier. Plane of Time gear would make it easier also, and so would 4 clerics healing you, but it's not like you NEED that stuff, which is what the original question asked. The question was what do you NEED to tank in the Planes, not what makes tanking EASIER.
And again, I never said not to use 2hb if you had one or it's easy to get one (in fact I specifically said to go ahead and use a 2hb if you have access to one). I just don't think people should stress over getting one simply because they think its a necessary component to tanking. If you have money/DKP to burn, then by all means do so.
But just to be crystal clear, I think that in most circumstances 2hb will make you a better tank unless the mob cannot riposte at all. I have been tanking in the Planes for a long time, however, and I don't use one. So you don't have to have a 2hb to be "reliable" is all.
Quote2% per AA. Finish 54% AA in 2 hours.
54% of an AA in 2 hours is a pretty poor solo AA rate with those AAs. I have similar (but slightly more, nothing that makes much difference, tho), and can get an AA in roughly 2.5 hours, no KEI. Just not in PoP.
he brings up a good point, if u want to be a really good tank 2hb mite be the way to go. but we arent "real" tanks and you know what we are a lot of dps, our epic is a nice weapon we wont get rid of for a very long time. i am seeing the EP god loot and i am still wearin epic haste. i have tanked for over 2 months of playin a 65 bst and i can tell you reposted isnt a problem for me.
full defensive aas arent needed.. but if u dont have the time to get those, i doubt you will have the gear to support tanking... it goes hand in hand. you dont see a 8khp beast with 0 AAs and u dont see 4khp (buffed) bsts with 150 AAs. you find ur appropriate niche and work from there.
look at my previous post if you want to know what kinda AAs / hps / lvls are generally per tier.
Looking at my post, I did make a mistake and wanted to instead say 2% AA per kill. It is pretty bad rate and it would be like about 4 hours to get an AA. Still looking for a spot that will give an AA at least every 3 hours. This was the rate I was getting my AA at 60 in Velks. As it is now LDON dungeons give me 40-50% AA per adventure.
Just wanted to try it out and see for myself how fast an AA is earned in Tier 1 Planes since I read somewhere that you can get one in about 2 hours soloing. The original poster was asking some info and I was in a position to give some info. Not saying its good or bad but just trying to be helpful.
Perhaps Hereki you can provide the places where you can get an AA every 2.5 hours without KEI and people would be happy to know these places. I know I would.