I see zero benefit so far from the first three levels of advanced BF. Unless I can be proven wrong its 15aa down the toilet. Has anyone parsed this since it went live and verified its actually better then before? For 15aa i could have bought three levels of Weapon Affinity and had a 30% greater chance to proc.
I bought all 5 levels and it felt like I was hitting more, but I have no parses to prove it :?
Maybe it makes a big difference with Ambidexterity and Weapon Affinity 5 which I lack. So far I just don't see a increase in DPS. I think I'll get Ambi and WA5 next then BF last as those give a big difference in DPS right away from using DPS guide on website.
Ambi would definitely be more effective first.
I thought I'd remembered reading somewhere tho that the dbl attack only affected your primary hand... or am I thinking of only the flurry AA that rangers and others get? (yes I know flurry is primary only)
I definitely quad.
This aa is for both main hand and off hand. Also if you are just watching your hit's expecting to see the wrath of god come out from your weapon's then this aa is not for you. On beta it was about a increase of 3% chance to double attack pur level. So unless they changed much with this aa that i doubt that would be a 15% increase on top of the already chance we get with pop bf.
I also bought all 5 levels of it, and I sure seemed to be hitting more also. Not sure how big a diff, but was noticable difference from the normal. I also have no parse atm to back it up, could all be in my head :)
Making blanket statements like this without any evidence to back it up doesn't really help anyone, Gunzak. Can someone do pre- and post- AA testing, perhaps on the Katta banker?
Lupic, as my alt, only had 10 AA banked (I used 9 of those on Fetter, which was *definitely* worth the investment), so I wouldn't be able to provide definitive, AA by AA parses until I collect 25 AA points which might be a bit.
I'd banked the AAs, so I got all 5 levels.. I know that wont be helpful in testing change b/w levels, but would parsing before the expansion be necessary as well?
*shoots himself in the head*
*looks at Tast laying on ground, picks up gun and nudges Tast with toe*
silly Tast! we keep this thing loaded with blanks; did you REALLY think we'd let you kill yourself? :evil:
Like I said I havent parsed it yet but I did about 4 hours of DoNs right after getting it and doesnt "seem" to be doing any more. Oh well I guess I was just expecting a lot more for 15aa.
QuoteI know that wont be helpful in testing change b/w levels
Here is a pretty simple testing method:
1. Start with BF5, where most of us are at.
2. Get a fast H2H in MH, 1HB in OH.
3. Remove all buffs
4. Attack our favorite banker in Katta, Bella Helsin, from behind.
5. Go to bed.
6. In the morning, run yalp on the generated log file, and see what your attacks count/hour was for each hand
7. Buy Improved Bestial Fury rank 1, play, then repeat above before you crash for the next evening, only now with 1 more rank of IBF.
3AAs per rank isnt too bad; if I get the chance and someone else hasn't done it, then I will try get some more AAs between raids and what have you. I can at least do the baseline and rank 1 right now, since I have 3 from much DoDh silliness.
Quote from: Gunzak on September 14, 2005, 10:27:14 PM
it and doesnt "seem" to be doing any more
Coprolith is spinning in his EQ grave right now I just know it.
Your naked eye CANNOT tell the difference between double attacking 15% of the time and 30% of the time.
You'd have to parse for a good 15-20 minutes with and without it to get a decent feel for the results.
Khayden
I have gotten all the double attack AAs and pet flurry AAs so far. Just did Keldovan and parsed 480dps (me=378, pet=112 not counting procs) just using disc and chaining growl. I use Yarusha in main and Anguish mace in offhand. DPS seems to be a bit higher than normal IMO for Keldovan. There is a very noticeable difference between 15% chance and 30%.
Fugging blanks. 8(
I understand most people don't know the data or the numbers or some of the finer details of parsing, but for the love of god the phrasing makes a world of diff. It's one thing to post:
"Has anyone done any parsing yet to verify the benefits of Improved BF on live servers?"
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"Hey I got no idea or data or a hunch or a fairy told me or nothin, but I figured I'd drop a very negative sounding post on people and maybe get some information out of it while making our parse junky/corr want to pound his head through another new computer desk."
Understand what you are talking about is a % of a % and in some case a % of a % of a %. Right now beastlords with BF5 have a 15% double attack rate. If you get improved BF and it's like it was in beta you have a 30% double attack rate(for both hands). That means if you are talking about approx 13% more swings if it were just a matter of swinging a big 2h. People aren't actually capable of seeing that diff and with how random EQ is you'd need a sizeable parse to actually clear the margin of error anyway. Understand though that you are talking about a % boost to your melee damage, which is a % boost of your total weapon damage(procs matter), which is a % boost of your overall damage(pet/spells/etc). Buying improved BF5 isn't going to add 3 mobs to your solo'n rotation or anything. It will raise your dps and it will show up quickly in an actual parse. To judge it by eye though is seriously impossible unless it was bugged and removed our original DA ability.
Consider yourself lucky, Tastian....At point blank range, blank cartridges are nearly as dangerous as the real thing. Some of you may remember the story of Jon-Erik Hexum (Phineas Bogg in in the Voyagers TV series and Mac Harper in the Cover Up TV series) fatally shooting himself with a blank gun in 1984.
OK I ran baselines for 4 hours today. Unlike DPS parses, you need a much smaller sample size, as there is only one variable to be considered here; we actually don't care about number of hits or DPS or anything, only the number of swings. I should have 5 AAs ready by tomorrow to see how much it is for rank 1.
One important note: remember that "baseline" tests are already run with Dual Wield at 15%, Benefits gained are from 1.15 to the new percentage (touted at 1.18, 1.21, 1.24, 1.27, 1.3). The actual gain is a little less than 3% per rank; for each test I will list the expected gain.
Tests are run with a level 70 BST, max weapon proficiencies, attacking the Katta banker Bella Helsin from behind. For those that don't know, she is lvl 1 with raid-level regen, and doesn't attack.
Baseline testing was run for 3 hours using no buffs with Bestial Fury 5. To maximize the number of swings, Lupic equipped his worn haste item [Shroud of Survival (http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=13674)] (46% haste), and dual wielded. The actual weapons used for testing are relatively unimportant, as I care not at all for DPS, only for the percent change in number of swings. Used [Fist of Five Blades (http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=82242)] in MH, [Bloodforge Hammer (http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=70274)] in OH. This also let me do some MH/OH comparisons, as 1 is crush damage, the other punch.
BF5 Baseline (including crits):
MH swings/hour: 3160.5
OH swings/hour: 2563
This resulted in dual wield/double attack of 81.8% for OH. All OH results are shakier, statistically, than the MH results, since you have 2 calls to the RNG for each swing..
Improved Bestial Fury 1 results (5 hour test)
5 hour test. Expected gain: 2.61%
MH swings/hour: 3221.2
OH swings/hour: 2649
DW+DA: 82.24%
MN net gain: 1.92%; OH net gain: 3.35%
Parsed Double attack estimate of 18.03% (up from 15%)
One note: hour-by-hour results for the IBF test consistently showed a lower net gain in MH over OH. Very odd. Perhaps someone has an idea why this might be? (*** edit: It could simply be due to the small sample sizes for the baseline test. I was going to run it all night, but I got an offer to to a Tipt run, and Lupic didn't have the KT flag yet, so... ***)
I always found it simpler to run DA attack rate parses using a 2hb, so I wouldn't have to worry about the offhand or account for failed dual wield checks.
Anyway, I bought all 5 levels of it at once, and compared it to a pre-purchase test that showed my DA rate at 16%. After the second test, I showed a DA rate of about 32%, and both parses include a Fero 2 item that I had forgotten I had. :-P The parses weren't particularly long, about 1.5 hours each, but they involved thousands upon thousands of swings.
So far my tests show that it has the same gain as the original BF had. It costs more, but BF came out in PoP where AAs were much slower to gain than they are now, so the cost of everything has gone up due to "inflation" so to speak. Anyway, if you (the original poster) don't think doubling your DA rate (i.e., a 100% gain) is worth 15 aa then I don't know what to tell you. Especially if you think a 30% additional proc rate would be worth your time for the same price.
EDIT: Oops, I forgot it's 5 per level so it's 25 to max, sorry :)
Well it would be 25aa to max not 15aa which is what it cost me for level 3. I guess I was wrong. What I should have doen is what Tastian said. Post if anyone has done any parses post patch to see if there was a big difference not say I don't see a difference. In the future if I have any questions I'll be more thoughtful before I post.
Thanks gun. You just have to understand how much schit I've had to deal with even before this expansion went live. Even with real data out there people are still making false claims based on speculation and the like.
The way to test double attack is to either use a 2h or just take 2 different weapons(blunt/hth) and swing away UH-HASTED. Getting your haste too low or having your DW rate and other things factor in just adds more variables.
Long as you keep your delay high enough then eat melee round will be independent and you won't have triple attacks and such skewing your results. Every test I've ran has taken DA rate for both MH and OH from ~15% to ~30% without fero factored in. I always welcome more parses and data, but you have to be careful how you parse and what you are actually testing.
QuoteI always found it simpler to run DA attack rate parses using a 2hb, so I wouldn't have to worry about the offhand or account for failed dual wield checks
If you dual-wield, you can just ignore the OH results. I usually ran my parses that way, just to see a number of other things outside the scope of IBF. Besides, it lets you see if something odd is going on with OH double-attacks, in a general fashion. Nonetheless, it appears that 3 hours was just too short a sample size. I can't go back and rerun at IBF0, of course, but I will probably rerun Lupic for a day in here somewhere, or at least 8-10 hours.
QuoteGetting your haste too low or having your DW rate and other things factor in just adds more variables.
Rats. I was unaware that haste did anything other than lower your delay by a set amount. I know that there was an urban myth going around for a while about getting weapons below 10, but I had assumed that only 46% haste on a delay 19 weapon shouldn't skew anything. I can rerun the results without haste, tho obv. that should cut down on the number of samples by 46%, and means that I should really run for 12+ hours to lower the sigma.
The reason it works good to have either 2h or a slow dw(unhasted) is well a few reasons.
First using a slow DW combo helps because BF got bugged at one point to where it wasnt' effecting the OH. Every since then i've been sure to include a DW parse when checking DA to make sure that the bug doesn't show up again. Also since the DA is applied evenly to each hand this basically gives you double the sample size over the same period of time.
The 2h works good to remove the potential for rounds interfering with things. EQ timestamps to 1 sec(10 del) and if you are under that then you run the risk of multiple rounds showing up in the same time stamp. If I have my moss-twig offhand and I'm hasted I can show triple attacks with my OH and even quad attacks, but there is no way for the OH to quad, what is happening is that multiple rounds are being tied together and since the random nature doesn't let us know for sure if it was a double and a single or a single and a miss or whatever that just cases problems.
Also when using multiple weapons of the same type you then have you factor in DW rate and work backwards to account for the triple/quad hits(even if you aren't hasted).
Finally, there is no need to parse BF5 because it's been parsed to death for years now. Your base DA rate with BF5 is ~15%. Run a parse at IBF5 and see what you get for a rate(~30%). The return per rank is the same (15%/5ranks) so ~3% per rank. That's the same boost that original BF gave.
Also haste works such that your delay becomes del/100+haste. Haste in EQ is a function of swings, not a function of delay. Minor detail, but worth mentioning every now and then.
If you want to parse Improved BF yourself just have a 2h weapon or 2 1h weapons of different types with a 20+delay and remove all haste effects. Swing away on the katta banker or whatever for a couple of hours and you'll see a decently accurate sample based upon what is being tested and margin of error.
QuoteEQ timestamps to 1 sec(10 del) and if you are under that then you run the risk of multiple rounds showing up in the same time stamp.
Ahh, I see what you are saying. but honestly, I am not looking to see how many attacks are double-attacks per se. If I know how many attacks total I did, then I can calculate exactly how many of those are double attacks. My real problem is two-fold. 1) I forgot that I don't HAVE to parse for baseline, since baseline can be calculated. 2) I don't know the granularity of the SoE combat engine.
Wielding a 19-delay weapon with 46% haste, 1.9/1.46=1.3014 seconds per swing, but the engine most likely runs in 0.1-second increments. But does it round? Truncate? Step-function? Cutting out haste eliminates this question. As a nebbish kinda guy, I will point out however that 3160.5 swings/hour at BF5 (from above) turns into 2948.3 single-attack swings/hour which would be 1.31 swings/second, which points to step-function. This means that *perhaps*, my parse shows a 17.2% Double-Attack from IBF1.
But the real answer is just to rerun the tests unhasted, so that I can compare the swings/hour with the expected swings/hour (1894.7) :) I will kick that off before I head out for the evening.
EQ truncates in almost all examples I can think of atm.
Also BF is a constant boost and so is improved BF that's from testing and talking with the dev that coded it.
Your way of testing just looking at total swings works ok and especially if you remove OH or just use two different weapon types it can be easy to get a clear picture of what is going on.
For people that don't like math or parsing or anything like that though all they have to do is put on the right weapons, type /log on, smack the katta banker overnight, then in the morning run the log through EQcompanion and they'll see 30% or 18% or whatever in the double attack field.
thanks for the parsing advice and explanation tast :)
I think what I will do then is finish IBF5 then finish SCF3 then do Ambi and WA5. Should be about 50aa total. Gonna need more MPG, DoN and RSS groups I guess.
That's a pretty solid idea gun. Those are some of the best offensive AAs we've got. Once you get ambi don't forget about sinister too. That's good for ~3 more dps on its own. 8)
Quote from: iamweaver on September 15, 2005, 10:45:21 PM
QuoteEQ timestamps to 1 sec(10 del) and if you are under that then you run the risk of multiple rounds showing up in the same time stamp.
Ahh, I see what you are saying. but honestly, I am not looking to see how many attacks are double-attacks per se. If I know how many attacks total I did, then I can calculate exactly how many of those are double attacks. My real problem is two-fold. 1) I forgot that I don't HAVE to parse for baseline, since baseline can be calculated. 2) I don't know the granularity of the SoE combat engine.
Wielding a 19-delay weapon with 46% haste, 1.9/1.46=1.3014 seconds per swing, but the engine most likely runs in 0.1-second increments. But does it round? Truncate? Step-function? Cutting out haste eliminates this question. As a nebbish kinda guy, I will point out however that 3160.5 swings/hour at BF5 (from above) turns into 2948.3 single-attack swings/hour which would be 1.31 swings/second, which points to step-function. This means that *perhaps*, my parse shows a 17.2% Double-Attack from IBF1.
But the real answer is just to rerun the tests unhasted, so that I can compare the swings/hour with the expected swings/hour (1894.7) :) I will kick that off before I head out for the evening.
Let's see... One knot, plus one knot is three knots.... wait, where were we again? I might have to ask Jethro for help on this one :roll:
Quote from: Gunzak on September 16, 2005, 09:30:00 PM
I think what I will do then is finish IBF5 then finish SCF3 then do Ambi and WA5. Should be about 50aa total. Gonna need more MPG, DoN and RSS groups I guess.
Supposedly theres a werewolf mission where you can make 2.5 AA every 20 mins. Maybe grind some AA there before they nerf it.
I said 'supposedly'. Its from a source I trust but I havent had time to try it myself yet.
I havent done a single monster mission yet. Only thing I have done with DoD so far is buy the new BF AAs and make Javelins for the range slot. My guildies have been doing a bunch so guess I need to go on a few.
And yeah, a 6-hour parse shows 18% DA on both MH and OH for IBF1 using EQCompanion. For some reason I thought that program was for live parsing only, so I always used YALP :) . Thanks for the tip, Tastian.
nps 8)
I use EQcompanion a bit for combining the fights and some offensive parsing. Use yalp for a lot of defensive parses(god I hate them) and an assortment of tools I coded for things like pet flurries and crits and other specific things I'm trying to parse.
Lots more data starting to come in from the expansion now and more are starting to get the spells too. I'm anxious to hear what others think of the pet/disc as they get them. 8)
So assuming that with IBF5, I should be doing about 30% double attack, what would it be with a Ferocity III Augment? I'm a little confused about how the Ferocity Augs work. I have one, but haven't parsed how much it helps.
Seriously though, is there any reason in the world that we shouldn't have a base double attack of atleast 50%? I mean you spend 15+25AAs and you would get about 80% double attack. This would balance a great deal of our DPS woes and still would be far behind most other classes that have inate double and some tripple. Just freaking silly.
QuoteI'm a little confused about how the Ferocity Augs work
Fero augs are based off of your baseline DA chance - so a Fero 3 item increases your chance to DA by 9% of 30% with IBF5, which is a 2.7% increase. Not all that much, but twice as good as it used to be.
As for DPS woes - really, you shouldn't be seeing much of them. If you compare your DPS (pet, magic, melee) to that of a ranger with similar AAs also equipped with DoN gear, the results shouldn't be that far apart. When I run in non-guild groups with similar equippage to mine, I am a DPS class.
Maybe, I haven't done much parsing I guess to compare. I have Ambidex, Sinister, BF5, IBF2, first two levels of pet crit and pet flurry, Casting Fury 3, Combat Fury 3 and almost all the Def AAs. It just seems that a ranger with a few ARchery AAs owns me on DPS. Maybe those big crits that are flying by is what throws me off.
"Seriously though, is there any reason in the world that we shouldn't have a base double attack of atleast 50%?"
The reaon is that at 60 I think base double attack rate is only 60% for the true double attackers lol. It's ~68% last I checked before depths went live. We aren't nearly that far behind that we need almost identical double attack to other classes. That would mean that the small gains of triple attack(it's nice, but over-hyped by many that don't parse), flying kick/flurry/etc, and a few specific AAs like rapid strikes, flurry, etc would have to offset our spells(including pet). The pet has fallen off, but not that much and not at the lower end of the spectrum.
Now that depths is live and we've got some new AAs(as do others) we'll have to do some more parses and see. Especially once more aquire the new spell and the new disc. The disc is a really big help to our burst dps that was the biggest issue we had when it came to raids and big mob kills. Like I've said before how they tweak some things will depend on how they tweak others. Also I think some beastlords would like to see some of our changes addressed in ways other than "ok now you are just another melee basically". Lots want their pet to do more, maybe spell changes, extentions on the new short duration pet_dot, etc. *shrugs* We'll see...
Ok, maybe not 50 then, how about 30% at level 70? I mean if they are at 68, with 30% more with AA's and some ferocity thrown in...that is looking like 100% or close to it. Now throw in a few tripples, and you are at say 110% double attack. I know it isn't right, but need some way to include tripple attack in double attack numbers. IF we even got 30%, that would give us a max of 60% double attack. So we would need to make up the other 50% with pet and spells. It is possible at the lower end to make up the damage, but I would imagine at the upper end where weapons damage makes up a bigger chunk of the overall damage, we would still be behind but not as far.
"Ok, maybe not 50 then, how about 30% at level 70? I mean if they are at 68, with 30% more with AA's and some ferocity thrown in...that is looking like 100% or close to it."
No, this is what soooo many people continue to miss. No other class gets close to the boost to double attack that we get via AAs. These other AAs aren't giving other classes +15% double attack or +30% double attack.
Yes triple attack can be factored in and I've done as such because it's simply more attacks that modify the value one gets from the ratio of the weapon. Too many people have these false perceptions about what something does though. Our double attack rate isn't nearly as far behind now as it used to be, other classes double attack AAs aren't nearly what ours are, triple attack isn't as big as some make it out to be, etc.
Also you have to realize how the progression of dps works for us. Right now a bazaar geared beastlord that is doing maybe 50-75dps from weapons can have a warder that is doing about 70dps. That's a major portion of the dps and makes the beastlord overall quite close to other classes. At the higher end though where the pet is now doing maybe 100dps while the beastlord is putting out around 200 then things fall off a lot more as other classes have progressed more inline with how the beastlord has, but the pet and other spells have lagged behind some. *shrugs* It's a big issue, lots of math, but unless someone can put up some accurate parses showing some new numbers different from what I've seen we don't need 60% double attack...yet. 8P
Now that the dps calculator is working again it says that the first three levels of IBF has added 6dps so thats not too bad though i think 5aa is pretty high. Unlike a large number of beasts on this board i cant solo 1-2 aa per hour and I don't play often so could take me a few weeks to get the last 10 AA i need.
Go do the monster mission in Nek - AA in 30-45 Mins irrespective of classes and gear. The orc one is simple as is the fairies. It doesnt even take any time to get to.
Where is the mission in Nek? I have not done a single mission yet. Last two weeks I have played once as work kept me busy. Also do I need a group or is it solo?
You need a group for it. I've done it with five...not sure if you can do with four. Class doesn't matter nor level. Just get whoever.
SPOILERS ON ORC/FAIRY MISSIONS BELOW
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Orc mission: Trigger is an orcish thermateurge (sp?)
The Shi Walkthrough = Set up your people with one healer template, one wizard, and the rest brutes. Make sure your brutes go into skills and make a taunt button. Take a few moments to set your aa. For brutes, I found the stun/snare effects to be faily useless in this mission.
Then one of your members will train into the cave to find the missing dark elf guy and hail him. They will then die and respawn at the entrance. After the hail, a chest pops in one of the clearings with the keys to the guy's shackles. The treasure for this mission is also in this chest btw...seems like mostly caster stuff. Another person goes ahead and loots it while your trainer respawns. You have now completed 3/4 of the mission.
Next the group crawls down to the dark elf guy and hands him the key. You then protect him as he moves to the zonein. The one thing to remember here is that the dark elf does stop on occasion to "rest" and respawn is fast. Just protect him as he gets near the zoneout. Your healer can just mezz the last few mobs if he/she wishes. Once the dark elf zones out you have won.
Then most groups do the fairy mission.
Fairy mission: Trigger is a wandering spirit(I think) which roams around the zone
You have no choice but to choose razormane fairy on this one. Personally I hate this mission but anyways...
The keys to this mission are patience and teamwork. You want to make sure the first thing everyone does is make a hide hotkey. There is only one enemy in this entire mission that sees through your hide. We will get to him in a moment. Also, near as I can tell your hide will never fail. If you fail to use patience with hide and try to rush all you will do is die...over and over again.
Enemies for the first part are wisps. Wisps from outside the cave will lose aggro if you run into the cave, and vice versa. However, your goal is to avoid aggro on them at all. As a fairy, you will not be able to fight enemies. Instead you must avoid them.
So, first you find the remains which are in the same cave as where the dark elf from the orc mission is. You will see this box. You need to attack it until it smashes, being sure to hide if any of the cave's willow wisps come near. Once it is smashed do NOT loot the dust yet. You want to get your group into position.
There are three shrines that you will have to destroy. I recommend putting three of your members on the shrine near the cave, then one on each of the other ones. Your last person should remain in the cave to loot the dust. The reason I recommend three on the shrine near the cave is, if you don't manage to kill it off before your people die and respawn at the entrance it will be a serious pain to get back there.
Then you have your cave person loot the dust. At this point all the wisps will depop and be replaced with undead rats. These do not see invis, however it is very difficult (impossible?) to drop aggro off of them. Now, you need to start destroying the shrines. One word of advice...do not use fairy fire (your dot). The mission seems bugged where, if you have used fairy fire on a shrine and die, you do not get credit for killing the shrine and thus cannot defeat the mission.
After a few moments zombies will start spawning. That's where the fun starts. There is one zombie who sees through any type of hide. He tends to hang around the cave shrine, which is why we assigned three people plus the cave person if they could get there, to killing it. Hopefully they have managed. If so, those people go to help the other two with their shrines. If you die you repop at the entrance and try to reach one of the other shrines again.
Now, worst case scenario. All the mobs are up and you failed to kill the shrines thus far. Your group is back at zonein. Hopefully this will not happen to you but if it does...well...here are some things you can do.
Move to the shrine as a group. If someone happens to get aggro, they become your "trainer" and clears past the shrine. Remind them that they can heal themselves a couple times with the fairy stuff. Hopefully this enables more of your group to get to the shrine and continue bashing. If someone gets aggro while you are on the shrine, that person can "tank" with heals from them and the others. Fairys do have a taunt. I'd recommend against the fear unless you are in a desperate situation.
Okay so shrines are dead now through whatever means. The person with the dust waits for all dead to repop at zonein and zones out first. There is a bug where if someone else zones out first or the dust person zones while another member is dead, that member might not get exp. After the dust person is safely out the rest of you zone. The dust person should remember after all are out and have left the mission to destroy the dust. Giving the dust back to the spirit seems to have no advantage, but it is lore so if you have it in your inventory you will not be able to loot on next fairy mission. Remember, when you transform into a fairy again you will not have access to your stuff to distroy mid-mission.
And that's about it, or rather that's how we did it.
Edit: added spoilers tag in case someone didn't want stuff revealed
Well I finished IBF5 last night and I see a very noticible imrpovement in dps. I haven't parsed it yet but I will see huge streaks of hits like 6 or 7 in a second or two pretty often. It was enough where I could offtank a mob in PoF and kill it before the entire group killed the other mob. The only negative I have now is the club from DoN procs a fire DD which is inneffective in PoF where I have been doing a lot of killing lately.
Quote from: Tastian on September 16, 2005, 10:25:23 PM
Once you get ambi don't forget about sinister too. That's good for ~3 more dps on its own. 8)
i got ambi as soon as it was available to me at 60--now Sinister is finally available. i soooo don't look forward to that grind--i'm an instant gratifcation kinda person; watching the AA bank while getting Ambi was torture, not looking forward to the same with Sinister, but, the dps will be worth it apparently.
Quote from: Nekokirei on October 07, 2005, 08:47:27 PM
Quote from: Tastian on September 16, 2005, 10:25:23 PM
Once you get ambi don't forget about sinister too. That's good for ~3 more dps on its own. 8)
i got ambi as soon as it was available to me at 60--now Sinister is finally available. i soooo don't look forward to that grind--i'm an instant gratifcation kinda person; watching the AA bank while getting Ambi was torture, not looking forward to the same with Sinister, but, the dps will be worth it apparently.
pfffft.. try the ridiculous # of AA that pet affinity was before they re-priced it.. That was torture to bank. Heh.. when they did the refund on the price change, I think I'd gotten 40 AA to spend outa the bargain.
Pet affinity was worth it even at 20 lol. I had maxed crit affliction(<3 aggro) and had maxed warders flurry from back then lol. Those were some fun AAs to grind out and parse.
heh.. i only recently bot the first level of crit affliction ;p not seen it crit yet, but then again, I think I've thrown 20 dots total in the 2 weeks since I got it ;p
The Pet Affinity at 20 was well worth it, but god! so painful to bank for ;p
Quote from: Kanan on October 10, 2005, 02:54:01 PM
The Pet Affinity at 20 was well worth it, but god! so painful to bank for ;p
Preach it!