A Community Divided (kinda long)

[DiosT]

mac, the registration to view idea was dropped...

Kash was kind enough to ask the members of the board their opinions on the matter, well before he was going to change it, if at all...

We are not going to force registration, and even if we did--how would that 'limit' your ability to say what you want? Also, Kash said if vescus was here to cause trouble, THEN he would be removed... not the other way around--removing before he causes trouble...

And I think that's fair...


Ghoat -- There was a mod by some name starting with "Mend" or something shortly after the sellout, with like 20-50 posts or something... seems he was dropped since then...

I havnt been back to eqbeastlord much since then, so no idea who the moderators are there anymore.. and i dont really care to know either, as far as this boards concerned it's free for anyone

[Furlyne]

Ya know... Kashmiir has the basis of a good idea in his post.  

Lets mend those fences with a free exchange of information! =0)

We'll start here..    http://www.eqbeastlord.com    Now, click that and see where it takes you =)

Okay, your back now, right?   okay Vecsus, now go to COM and type the same post there, only type in http://www.beastlords.org  and then click it =)

We'll wait here for you to get back from clicking the link there!

BC

Before I left the old board, I posted a link to this site and at first the link was just changed right back to the old board.  The the post simply disapeared.  They were filtering then, maybe you can now, but I find it highly unlikely.  It is a shame that someone felt so insecure that they had to take direct action to keep people from making a free choice.

Just for kicks I went to the new board to see what they had to say about his topic.  I found a few interesting quotes on the matter of linking.

Neither site crosslinks - for better or for worse.

Hey Ghoat, Clicking the ling for eqbeastlords really does take you to that site.  No one has changed it.  Do you stand by your remark?

But when this site does not cross-link they call it censorship.

/shrug.

When your boss's site changes links to this site automatically so that peeps on eqbeastlord can't find this site, what would YOU call it?

Seems peeps over there have been trying to find this site, but can't because of those restictions....

Well it'd be nice if the mods here were mature enough to link to the new boards ... I can't find a URL for it anywhere.

I've tried a load of different URLs randomly as well ending with .org, with no luck.

Hmmm...

Anyway, going there really made me sick with all the cookie attempts to mysupersales and rgpexpert that my computer blocked for me.  If you go there, I highly recomend at least setting your browser setting up a notch.

[mac173]

Thanks for responding Kash. I DO feel better. I understand getting mad, I do it all the time.

Thank god they take back the automatic weapons when you leave the military.....uh.....they DID take it back, right, Kash?

/duck

[Kashmiir Battlekat]

Ghoat,
You are always welcome here man. You are impartial and are a leader of our community as a whole. You do not blame anyone nor do you advertise for 'the other place'. You have MY utmost respect Sir.

I give you a hearty salute and I bow to you in great respect.

I also hope you do not leave this part of the Beastlord Community. I think that would be a terrible tragedy. You are MOST welcome here.

[Mahes]

*grabs some viagra*

I'll take that Asian challenge, Ghoat!


Honestly though, I like it here, I like the crowd better, the information if more in line with what I need to know vs. random questions that have been answered 1,000 times.

That said, I'm having a hard time understanding wtf this "we have more activity than you" has to do with much of anything.  If 10 times the people that post here, posted there, I'd still come here because this is the info best suited for me.  Who cares about activity?

As much as Vescus may be trying to drum up support there, the hypocricy here knows no bounds, to paraphrase Tombstone.

Why don't we all give it a rest and stick to playing the game?

[Layne]

Vecsus completely ignores my questions then comes out with this on the sister post on the other board.

But when this site does not cross-link they call it censorship.

/shrug.

I tried and the whole thing was very misunderstood. I give up. People can read where they want to read. The whole class suffers because of this pervasive us-them attitude. My ingame performance will not be effected regardless of how many sites we spread out amongst. It's the newer and lower Beastlords that stand to either benefit or lose out because of this.

I may be wrong but I'm pretty sure I can post www.eqbeastlord.com here without it being altered by the word filter, modded out, threatened with banning or indeed banned.

And that there IS a link to it in the lore section.

[Ghoat]

Neither site crosslinks - for better or for worse.

Hey Ghoat, Clicking the ling for eqbeastlords really does take you to that site.  No one has changed it.  Do you stand by your remark?

Yes, Furlyne, I do.  What I was saying is that in the "links" section, neither lists the other site.  It was discussed on both boards & there was a lot of gnashing of teeth about it.  That has not changed, so please don't attempt to read or make more of my statement that what I said, take it as face value, which is how it was intended.

[Furlyne]

The massive amounts of testosterone generated between these factions of former friends would be enuff to knock up 1/2 of Asia.  So pointless.

So THAT's how it happened.  :)

[Furlyne]

Neither site crosslinks - for better or for worse.

Hey Ghoat, Clicking the ling for eqbeastlords really does take you to that site.  No one has changed it.  Do you stand by your remark?

Yes, Furlyne, I do.  What I was saying is that in the "links" section, neither lists the other site.  It was discussed on both boards & there was a lot of gnashing of teeth about it.  That has not changed, so please don't attempt to read or make more of my statement that what I said, take it as face value, which is how it was intended.

Just seemed to me that it was a response to Incite stating he couldn't find the link anywhere.  I assumed he was talking about not being able to find a link anywhere on the site.  If you were both refering to the "links" sections then you are correct and I stand corrected.

[Soriab]

PM Recived after reactivating my account.

The Beastlord AA Table is gone from that site now.

Please refrain from posting links to other boards in your sig.

Thanks.

My sig I will do with it as I will. Thank you fo showing your desire for the community to come back together. I will remove my maintainer post from this forum since you dont wish to allow me to do this. I noticed that you deactivated my account. If you feel that you must do so thats your call.

[Marthaan]

I was going to reply to this with a long post but Sorien's post on page one and then Ghoat's LONG (but worhty) post  :D  says it all.  We need get back to being and playing Beastlords and help one another.

PS Ghoat is a smart man for living in Alabama (j/k)

[Ukator Iceblood]

I choose to get my info here. I just like it better, the info, the style of the board (looks), whatnot.
As a longtime poster to all the boards (COM before, here now, and the old com board) I do like to see posts from some old timers (Ghoat, Vescus, Yik, Tipop before this all went down). I don't care if they are mods on the other site, doesn't bother me or effect with me in anyway. I don't want them to feel unwelcome here. Its a game, they give good info and humor, and I hope they continue to use both if thats what they want to do.

I will continue to use this board for the same reason I posted, I like it better.

[DiosT]

I have been a member of the "greater" beastlord community since about a month after the class was hatched, and I'll remain that way, as a mod, not as a mod, on whatever board, or where ever the "community" is - this is the third beastlord board I have been active on hehe. My interest and/or loyalty is in the community, not who owns the sites or where they reside

That's the reason I left COM... the 'greater' beastlord community moved to here, including most of the highly active beastlords/posters...

I offered to help oaga, but was thanked for my offer by a removal of admin, without a reply to my offer, or an e-mail explaining he had removed everyone (and why)...


I noticed a lot of good beastlords leaving, so I went with them...


That said, I do sometimes want to help other beastlords out on the old board, but already disabled my account with a bad e-mail address

[DiosT]

Also Ghoat,

Tue Jan 06, 2004 12:53 pm

<-- The time of posting (which hasnt been edited since), there is a link to EQBeastlords.com and if you'll note, it doesnt redirect people back to this site...

That's pritty much our links page, Our main site only lists key websites that are used by most all players, and the other sites that reside physically on the same server as beastlords.org...

I personally dont care for maintaining large amounts of links.

[Jaeren]

Well, since i sorta started the crossfire with Vecsus, I should check in again I guess.

My thoughts are this:

Vecsus has made multiple posts lately that all seem to be negative. Maybe others didn't notice them or I took them the wrong way. But this thread by him has been negative and when something he can't argue against comes up, he ignores it. Sorta like he ignores the fact that he was completely against Yantis, then he suddenly changed and was a mod there...

Kash & I just had enough and expressed our opinions in different ways. Not everyone will like my way, not everyone will like Kash's way. I personally think Kash shoudl have waited a couple mins more before replying, he may have made a less blunt and in your face kind of post and maybe wouldn't have riled up others for a while. But that's his option and that was his honest first impression and reaction.

Just because someone is a moderator or admin (here or there) doesn't mean they are perfect OR that they are complete idiots, it's your actions. Kash, DiosT, etc have put a lot of effort into this forum and neither wants it to fail or become a place for trouble makers.

In my opinion though, Vecsus seems to be looking for a fight here and Kashmiir basically told him if that's his only purpose here and he doesn't contribute anything positive at all, why should Kash waste his time & effort on him? Basically a "shape up or ship out" kinda thing.

For all the comments I've made, if Vecsus would contribute positively, that's great and I won't interfere or try to cause problems for him. But at the current time, he doesn't seem to be wanting to do that. I noticed Vecsus' about face on his Yanti$ stand awhile ago, so I have been watching his actions to see if he would contribute and if so, either in a negative or positive way.

Many of you don't know me that well, this nickname didn't post much on the other forum but I read almost every post there for a long time and posted under my old beastlord's name before I moved servers and made a new account. Some people make think I was lookign for a fight, i wasn't I was hoping to debate Vecsus' points but after a few posts, he descended to insulting me for the rant comment. Like I said, it was in *MY* opinion that he was ranting. I didn't move the post until he started getting personal, in which case I really could have locked the thread since personal attacks aren't allowed on ANY reliable board. Instead, I left the post open and moved it to rants WITH a shadow link in general being left since I decided that the most likely course it was headed was further into rant territory. If things had gone different, the thread could have always been mvoed back the other way.

I guess what all my ramblings is about is this: Vecsus, if you have something positive to contribute here, that's great.  We don't ban people for links, being a mod elsewhere, etc. But, we will remove spam & people that add nothing positive. It's your choice which you decide to do on this forum. I would hope you would follow what you posted a couple times and be a part of the general beastlord community, not eqbeastlord or beastlords.org. but so far in my opinion, you are helping along the us vs them mentality and adding a lot of negative lately.

And, uh, if this didn't make sense.. I have 3 excuses

1. i'm a former bard main so i'm used to typing fast and in 3 second bursts
2. I hurt my hand so typing isn't all that fun
3. I'm running on 4 hrs of sleep & 8 hours of work and just got home ;)

And if you don't believe that.. Take it up with my wolf, I haven't fed him yet :P