Do we have a good case for a new heal ?

[ChisuBB]

Greetings all,

i got a 1700 point heal from a ranger the other day...and i was jealous =)

my question is - did rangers need that heal to balance them, or could it have just been a knee-jerk reaction from soe ( they are very vocal ). For me it would be more use than all our god spells put together, and im wondering what others thoughts are on the matter.

Ps thankyou to everyone who posts here - info and parses are awesome )

[Coprolith]

That must've been a critical focused heal then. Best ranger spell heals 525 pts base afaik. That's only a little above our own, and we get superior regen, plus Paragon of course.

Judging by the templates on Lucy, we will get a new heal at 66+ in OoW.

/hugs

[Kherryn]

Unless I'm missing something, you need a 45% healing focus to reach that high of a heal from a 525hp heal, alongside AAs.

525*19% Healing adept*45% max focus*crit

525*1.64*2 = 1722hp healing.

Only one item so far in Lucy has that high of a focus that Rangers can use. http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=68950

[Dummkopf]

This works only on groupheals, the ranger heal is a single target heal though.

Yes, i would love a heal comparable to the ranger heal in GoD instead of the group ios (at that point where we get grou ios), even that heal is pretty low if you think of all those god mobs and what they hit for, but it could be good for us in old world zones or as minor patch heal.

[Tastian]

I brought up the issues several times and I honestly still don't care for or understand rangers having a bigger direct heal than us.  Truthfully though the heals are pretty low and even shaman got heals beefed up some with GoD.  The next expansion needs to include hybrid specific heals imo.  They are just out of hand-me-down spells at this point.  We need a bigger direct heal with a smiliar ratio and casting time to what we have now.  I'm very curious to see what kind of numbers we see on various spells and upgrades soon.

[Kherryn]

Oh yeah, that focus is group only...okay, I don't know what focus he was using then, unless he's got an item not yet in Lucy.

[chuteshock]

Heck you would think at lvl 70 we would get torpor or Tnargs mending.

[feralize]

Just give us (and rangers) Superior Healing at level 66 or 67 in OoW and be done with it.

[Tastian]

I've said this a lot before and I'll keep saying it, I don't want superior healing.  Superior healing is inferior to CB imo.  It's less healing per mana point and it's less healing per second.  Why would we want a spell that casts in 4.5 verse 3.0 and does so at a worse ratio.  Superior healing is definitely NOT the type of healing spell I want.  Tnarg's is close, but I think it's a heals a little too much for us to get it.  Rangers already have a heal from GoD (yeah some have it lol) that is better than Superior healing and better than CB.

[Jkal_Shihar]

ok, last I check'd I played a bst. why would I want a ranger heal.

IMO, I'd rather follow the shamans progression for healing. I mean not to derail or anything but I'm seeing all this talk bout ranger heals and such.

Should'nt it be discussing in progression to shamans though. Maybe its me and I'm not grasping the big picture. <shrug>

[Tastian]

Rangers and beastlords always had the same heals, tied for dead last lol.  From greater to minor to CB to even when we get our regens.  Then with GoD for some reason they gave rangers a new heal.  Some say it's because rangers are druid hybrid, but hybrid is kind of dated and the classes stand on their own a lot more now.  This isn't a shaman verse druid thing it's a beastlord thing that is very easy to draw parrallels to rangers on.  As a class beastlords heal more than rangers and anything that would justify rangers getting a new heal (like crazy high hp/dps these days) would also apply to beastlords.  I don't want beastlords to have a better heal than rangers, I simply want beastlords and rangers to continue to have the same heal, again the worst hehe.

[feralize]

Actually yeah thinking about it for more than 5 seconds, Sup Heal probably wouldn't work as shamans get this (lvl 51) before they get Chloroblast (lvl 55), so it wouldn't make sense for us to get it after.

What would be nice is if we got something which heals for a similar amount to Sup Heal with the casting time of Chloro.

[Atropine_BB]

I'd much rather have a nice heal over time like a mini torpor.

Say 150-200hp per tick for 4 ticks.  With the same movement and attack speed penalties.

Or maybe without the penalties...  :wink:

Either way, a better heal would be nice.

[ChisuBB]

I talked to the ranger, who linked http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=10234 as the focus effect .

This means I was almost certainly wrong about the amount healed ( there was a shaman throwing tnargs around as well ), but its still a bigger heal than ours, and sure beats the hell out of group ios.

Apologies for the misinformation  :P ( theres always a chance, of course, that they had that higher focus from GoD and that its working on more than grp heals...but i think thats prolly my love of conspiracy theories getting the better of me- it was odd how the numbers matched tho)