The Beastlords' Den

I see the epic and I have to wonder...

make an option for h2h or 1hb it doesnt matter they both are the same for us now :p

I'd have to say, I'm with Battlesaur on this. As long as the skills are the same and if weapon A has a better ratio then say weapon B, I'll go with A.
Sides, I would really hate to see this turn into a monk whine cause they didnt get a 2hb.

Before the lower weapon skill caps were removed this would have been an issue. The only issue I see now is that is seems more mobs mitigate 1hb than most other skills. You will have to bag it for CBQ for sure.

I think it's great they made it a 1hb just after kicking our skill caps up.  I like the look of it, too.  :)

CBQ?

CBQ = Cragbeast Queen. Mitigates 1 and 2hb by 50% does not mitigate h2h and you get a 33% bonus for piercing weapons.

Quote from: EatbugsI think it's great they made it a 1hb just after kicking our skill caps up.  I like the look of it, too.  :)

Heh they raised the stat caps because they had already made this a one hand blunt and knew the community would riase all kinds of flak about it being on a minor weapon skill. I am just glad that raising the skills allows a wider choice of weapons for Beastlords without sacrificing DPS.

QuoteHeh they raised the stat caps because they had already made this a one hand blunt and knew the community would riase all kinds of flak about it being on a minor weapon skill.

Dunno about that, you'd have to ask a dev. (Maybe Tastian would know.)  In any case, it's not like they had to increase our skill caps for this - changing one number in the database (1hb to HtH) would have been easier than changing three.

Yeah we saw the drawing and went nuts:)
Worked out for the best.

why not talk about that clicky......

I just dont like it,  the dbl atk and proc is ok on pet for dps but thats is.


My pet never tanks ever unless im soloing and get mutli adds.  the extra hps not gonna help him cause i tank when i solo,  the extra dodgeing not going to help him cause i tank when im soloing,  Over all i think the proc should have been something more usefull to us.. LIke it hitting us instead of the pet.


Or doing something usefull for the group.....IF the proc landed on myself i could see how it would help. I could use the extra dbl attack or avoidiance many of times.. Pet on the other hand,  well make me laugh.

What kind of poll is this ? all choices are about the fact its 1hb and if it should be h2h, erm hello thats totally irrelevant now

Was effort / reward worth it ? Being stuck in ME, I can say epic 1.5 will not be able to overcome the bitterness level I reached here

Heh, I'm not sure you are even aware that the effect on you pet only lasts one minute, and the refresh time is 10.  I'm not sure about you but I'm eventually going to get too lazy to click it haha.

Altho, even if it's only a small DPS increase for a short duration, i'll still use it whenever i dont forget.

Also, that's -only- 1.5 .. theres still the true epic 2.0 to see the outcome of. Even after seeing how impossible 2.0 will be for me, considering not being in a raiding guild, i still want to see the progression of our weapon.


Firriann Rei`Whitepaw
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Has anyone got the epic 1.5 or 2.0? I'm still waiting for a link or something to tell me if its 1hb or 2hb?

I personally dont think they could have made a set of hand to hand weapons look any more bad ass than the current new epic

Quin you like the look?  I'm not usually into realism - eq is a fantasy game - but looks unbalanced and unweildy to me.  More like a decorative totem then anything I'd want to weild as a club.

I hate the look. I think its to big and ugly, it being 1hb is irrelevant at this point.


Juksh

Really don't care about the weapon type.  The clicky is incredibly underwhelming.  Adding one or two DPS to my pet hardly seems epic.  Do love the ice nuke focus!

--Kreseth

I don't know why it's taken them this long to introduce weapons with this kind of graphic.  They've prolly been able to since pop.

Every class (cept clerics) are going to moan about their clicky I think.  1 min duration for 10 min recast is absurd.  Making the duration 2.5 min walks the line of usefullness vs overpowerment.

One minute I don't think is enough time to increase dps any negligable manner thus defeating its purpose.

If it was any sort of HtH weapon then the graphic would probably be reversed when we switched hands.  I like the club :D

The look is bleh compared to the drawing.  Kinda...totally lost the appeal for me.  It's way to large I think.

I can live with it, but the right click is ass.  If it's gonna be that long of a recast for that short of a duration, it should be more offensive.  Warders don't tank accept in limited situations and not effectively.

The rest of it, ratio, stats, focus, are great for 1.5.

But wtf is up with the strikethrough?  Think we should really be pushing to get that changed to something useful, even 5 avoidance would be tons better.

I would much rather the right click buff ourselfs for 1 min :P

I was just kinda dissapointed after seeing all the other epics group buff effects.  Was hoping ours would have something to benefit a group well too.

If they changed the right click to a self buff and changed the focus to a high pet level focus instead, I think id be happy. ;)

I just think the graphic is way too large. both our epic and the shaman epic seem like they are scaled twice what they should be.

At the moment I love the look. Unless its gonna look bad on a Ogre which i think it wont.

Regarding the proc, if the doulbe attack works for my pet then and Im hoping it'll work when the Savage plat fists proc as well.

Dont't forget this is only 1.5 Epic. Theres still version 2.0 to go.

This Epic 2 might switch back to HtH and if we are unlucky a 2hb

It probably looks better with large races, as an iksar this thing would look dumb on me I think...I'd still use it, better than what I've got.  I'd rather have a rusty mace graphic than that ridiculous looking thing though.

At steelwarrior, they've posted pics of alot of the epic 1.5's, some of them look pretty cool.  The bard, SK, Necro are all pretty cool looking.  Wiz, ench, are good.  Warriors, from the pic I saw there, got the shaft, their sword has a pretty lame graphic hehe.  Didn't check out the effects/focus on most of the 1.5's, warriors are pretty unhappy with theirs though.

I like the look of the epic, has a primative look to it.  As for the clicky effect, I think it's really not that good overall.  Would be acceptable if they added a 100% damage modifier to it so all damage including crits effectively did double damage (like BA3).  Otherwise, would rather have an effect that Complete Heals my pet when cast, purges all baneful magics currently affecting him, and makes him immune to all baneful spells and effects for 1 minute so that he doesn't immediately die in those high end, crappy encounters with AoE's that make having a pet pointless.

Well, take this with a grain of salt, but here's what I think about the new Epic.

The vast majority of the other epics 1.5 that I've seen so far have effects and clickies that help them do what they do most, usually with a focus to increasing raid usefulness.  IMO, Pallys have made out like bandits with their new epic, (tho, I'm sure they'll make it sound like they got a kick in the groin or something, the reality is that in raids they're mostly another healer class, and their epic helps them be much better healers.)  Warriors as well have an epic that makes them better at what they do most, the casters for the most part get aggro reducers to help them do what they do in raids/groups.  Our clickie effect gives us a short term boost of damage every 10 mins, which in itself isn't so bad, extra DPS is extra DPS.  But the rest of the effects on it are more or less useless.  The HPs are probably never going to make much of a difference in the whopping minute they last.  THe defensive additions are also pretty useless as well, as other people have already noted.  Pets in raids never draw aggro, due to the huge amount of players standing next to the mob being killed.  They *do* however, get hit by enormous AE's that make an additonal 1k HPs pretty meaningless.
The focus effect is...whelming.  I personally only ever use my nukes in groups where I've got a shammy or other BL to do the buffing and slowing, and all I'm expected to do is be DPS.  But my playing preferences aside, why wasn't this something like a pet focus, or an aggro reducer, or something to help our slows land, or something to extend our buffs?  All of which I do a lot more than nuke, and *can* do more often than once every 30 seconds.
Ah well, maybe I'm just whining, what does everyone think?  ATM, I'm out of state, and haven't purchased OoW yet, and what with the underwhelming new spells, and less than ideal new Epic, (not to mention my hatred of the last expansion), I'm considering not buying it at all.

As for the look, I like the look fine.  It reminds me of a club I saw once that was used to club baby seals in antarctica.
The type of weapon doesn't matter since all the skills now cap at the same level, tho I like H2H weapons just because it's kinda a defining look for us.  I don't get people mistaking me for a shaman when I'm wielding H2H weapons.

--Qagar