Is Erana on a "scheduled" 2-hour timer?
By this I mean, is she supposed to be up at the same times every day (ie. 12-2pm, 4-6pm, etc.), or is she simply "up 2 hours, down 2 hours" with no fixed times?
The reason I ask is I have been tracking her spawn for some time now and she has always spawned/despawned on a regular schedule day after day. So finally, after a month and a half of being ready, the guild is ready to do the fight for me. I run out to Ruins and whee! She's up! People start gathering, I have almost enough force to do the fight. No sweat, I think, I have another 20 minutes before she will depop. Two minutes later I watch her vanish before my eyes.....
So. My theory appears to have been proven false; what now? If some beastlord triggered the fight yesterday (thereby despawning Erana), does she wait a full 2 hours before she will respawn, or is she supposed to respawn at her next "scheduled" appearance? I don't want to have to start camping the spawn every day; I have better things to do with my time. :?
This is by far the most ridiculous excuse for a bottleneck ever devised by SOE.
At some point I timed her for several days in a row (having another char on another account standing in front of her) : The timer moves.
So no, she is NOT up at the same times every day. This might be due to several reasons, not the least being the fact that she actually is NOT on a 2 hour timer ... but on a timer somewhere around 2 hours ... 5 minutes more or less will naturally make her spawn window move over several days.
She's on a two-hour down, two-hour up cycle. Within a couple minutes, anyway, I only timed her over a 12 hour period. However, when you hand her the trigger item she despawns in a couple minutes and that resets the cycle. So reset your timer when you start your fight...you'll can do your turnin in 2 hours assuming you win the fight. The spawned mobs stay up an hour if not killed.
So the answer to your question is yes, the spawn is predictable over time if nobody has triggered the spawns. Fortunately, only those beastlords at that stage of the epic are able to get the trigger item from Muada, so the number of people that can change the spawn time is limited.
In practical terms, you cannot plan the spawn time days in advance unless you are willing to actually manipute the spawn 2-4 hours before the planned event time.
Thanks for the info guys.
Nusa, that's a good idea. I get home from work early enough that I could "prime" her spawn by doing the hand-in to get a predictable respawn time if I knew the guild would come out again for the fight later that evening. Thanks for the tip!
Quote from: GremkinNusa, that's a good idea. I get home from work early enough that I could "prime" her spawn by doing the hand-in to get a predictable respawn time if I knew the guild would come out again for the fight later that evening.
The next to last Druid fight spawns in that same room - doing that would be a fairly nasty trick to play on anyone who might have wanted to do the Druid epic fight (or our epic, for that matter) in the hour after you did the hand in.
Make sure any druids you have on the raid bank their trigger item if they're at that stage of their epic. Otherwise, the druid mob is triggered when they enter the area.
Yeah, I was thinking after I posted that it is a potentially dirty trick to play on someone.
/sigh
Just wish SOE would hurry up and take her off the timer. It's asinine.
From what I understand, the Druid mob works off the "hidden" flags on the toon, so it doesn't matter if you bank the item. The mob will spawn just by walking down that hallway. (If this is incorrect, let me know)
Quote from: NusaMake sure any druids you have on the raid bank their trigger item if they're at that stage of their epic. Otherwise, the druid mob is triggered when they enter the area.
Quote from: GiledormFrom what I understand, the Druid mob works off the "hidden" flags on the toon, so it doesn't matter if you bank the item. The mob will spawn just by walking down that hallway. (If this is incorrect, let me know)
Can anyone confirm which of these two statements is true? We were going to attempt my final fight last night (trigger wasn't up...grrrr) and we had a druid at this point in his epic. I need to know if he can come or not.
Depending on how you handle it, it doesn't matter Kinal. Earthshaker doesn't spawn until the druid is at the bottom of the stairs leading directly up to the fork in the tunnel itself. If you go the split-using-valley approach and the raid's outside, then the druid won't spawn it.
Otherwise, I believe it uses the invisible flags to spawn Earshaker, and so items don't matter,.
Quote from: EatbugsQuote from: GremkinNusa, that's a good idea. I get home from work early enough that I could "prime" her spawn by doing the hand-in to get a predictable respawn time if I knew the guild would come out again for the fight later that evening.
The next to last Druid fight spawns in that same room - doing that would be a fairly nasty trick to play on anyone who might have wanted to do the Druid epic fight (or our epic, for that matter) in the hour after you did the hand in.
and?
Seem to recall a similar post on another topic in the epic. And as was listed in that post, some people have respect for other players in the game not to randomly spawn major raid level mobs that they have no intention of killing at the time. Have a little respect for other people in the game dude.
Tusconi Pantheros
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Quote from: TusconiSeem to recall a similar post on another topic in the epic. And as was listed in that post, some people have respect for other players in the game not to randomly spawn major raid level mobs that they have no intention of killing at the time. Have a little respect for other people in the game dude.
Tusconi Pantheros
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for an hour? grow some balls, dude. sure i can see a problem rendering an entire zone unusable for any length of time. sure, i can see a problem rendering an epic event unavailable for half a day. or spawning a raid mob that impedes normal use of a zone. this doesnt. youre talking about people whos only problem with getting their epic done is this stupid schedule. it's an hour, dude. get over it.
You're so right Zumu. How horrible for me to think of anyone else but my own class. I mean, good grief.....if some druid had a epic raid scheduled for that time that someone decided to just pop DDA and his warders, they should just get over it. My schedule has priority over everyone! Who cares if that's the only time they had to do their fight and my mob wiped their entire raid?
Give me a break! I camped Elana to find out when she would be up. All it takes is taking a couple hours of your own time to find out what kind of timer she is currently on the day before you plan on raiding. I camped her, found her time...set it up with some folks and did the fight the following day. It's not that hard, and shows some respect for other players, which is obvious you don't have. Your posts indicate you are the type of player that trains people for fun.
Tusconi Pantheros
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Quote from: TusconiYou're so right Zumu. How horrible for me to think of anyone else but my own class. I mean, good grief.....if some druid had a epic raid scheduled for that time that someone decided to just pop DDA and his warders, they should just get over it. My schedule has priority over everyone! Who cares if that's the only time they had to do their fight and my mob wiped their entire raid?
Give me a break! I camped Elana to find out when she would be up. All it takes is taking a couple hours of your own time to find out what kind of timer she is currently on the day before you plan on raiding. I camped her, found her time...set it up with some folks and did the fight the following day. It's not that hard, and shows some respect for other players, which is obvious you don't have. Your posts indicate you are the type of player that trains people for fun.
Tusconi Pantheros
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way to go dumbass, you completely missed the point. perhaps you would care to search for my other posts, in which ive already stated thats exactly what i did, and what i recommend doing. thanks for stating a strat i posted long before you. i timed her spawn, and got the raid there on her schedule.
now, this time exercise some reading comprehension skills, and go over my post again. specifically the part which states "people whos only problem with getting their done is this stupid schedule"
what about the folks for whom erana's schedule just wont work? what about them smart guy? i guess theyre just S.O.L. and if they take some action, OMG a WHOLE HOUR!!!1!!1 they're just rude insensitive people. where the hell do you get off, imposing your moral outrage over a one hour spawn re-time when these folks have no other choice?
where the hell did i ever say i train people for fun? it was funny to me that the warders ended up at the zoneline on my fight, you betcha if thats what you mean. know why im able to laugh about it? cause i frikkin sat there til they despawned, and no one got trained. as ive already stated. try to know wtf youre talking about before you troll.
Just a not so quiet word of warning... personal attacks are not allowed in any forum here. I don't care how hot under the collar you get, everyone is to be treated with respect. Stop the name calling. Now.
Interesting how its just an hour. But two hours!!!.....OH NO!! You say what about the people who cant work that schedule? What about people that work that schedule, time it and then someone comes out to just pop it without killing it? What about beastlords who go out there to do the epic fight and someone pops it on them while they are getting set up? This would be completely disregarding the druid fight. One hour isnt that long...you are right. But if there are people who can't work around a two hour schedule, don't you think there might be some druids or something that can't work around the one hour mob pop? And when has it ever been acceptable to have a raid mob popped on anyone? Druid goes out there to do the fight and bam!!! The whole raid gets wiped cuz DDA got popped cuz someone cant do the two hour schedule. Of course I know your response to the previous statement would be the same as your other one....."And?"
I would also note that the person who asked this question understood this and has no plans of doing it. To you its only an hour. To the raid that gets wiped because of it, it may be a lot longer for that druid to get his/her epic done.
Tusconi Pantheros
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and? your post makes no sense. it shows that you have not read the threads in this topic. still, ill briefly address your points, in no particular order:
druids can pop their mob anytime, simply by walking into the tunnels. as can shaman btw. we dont have that luxury.
yes, an hour rather than two. if you would care to read the threads in this 1.5 forum, you will find several people for whom the 1 vs. 2 is an issue. you can feel free to go tell them that their problems are meaningless. in fact, youve already done that. so much for respect, please dont lecture me on it again.
do you think anyone would go pop DDA with a raid *in his room*? or even setting up? where did you get that from? imo youre inventing things now, to bolster an untenable position. fortunately i know where you can get your hands on a written record of everything said in these forums :D please quote the text from this or any other thread, where anyone myself included advocated or condoned that. its a valid point, but not in the context in which youve tried to use it.
selling clues, cheap. might have something to do with /who + /ooc.
I note that you make no comment for the beasts who may have already timed the schedule to go out there. As for the druids popping their mob whenever they walk in, I note that you don't comment on the fact that druids may have the same problem as far as getting the raid together within time spans. There is one post that notes that, if Elana Farrel isn't up, the raid will move on to the next target. Now suppose, as is likely, that there are druids with that same problem. Only thing is their mobs always pop right? Except this time when they go out to pop their mob, they can't do their fight because someone chose to pop DDA at that time. So, the raid moves to another target and the druid gets screwed. Ahh, but I know....."and?" Who really cares if the druid gets screwed right?
In addition, Erana Farrell is nowhere near that room. So how would the person popping it know if there is a raid in "his room"? Sure you could do a /who, but does that show where the people are in the zone? Or do you just not pop the mob when there are more than 2 or 3 groups in the zone? Or do you just pop the mob and assume that they aren't there? Or.....
In response to your comments about people who are having a problem with the window, I note that they have said they would NOT use this strategy of just popping the raid mob without plans to kill it. Now why do you suppose that is? Maybe because they play the game right and have respect for others? They already stated they have the respect not to do something like this. And yes, I have a lot of respect for them, as they do for others. I have the same problem as my raid would just move to the next target too. However, I have no intention of just popping him anyway. I will wait. Some people have patience, such as those who have already stated they wouldn't do that.
Tusconi Pantheros
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It is a triggered fight, not a pleasant one, and as such it must be managed. IF triggering it to put it on a schedule is what you need to do, then that is what you do. I exp in RCoD quite often. There are rarely ever 2 groups in there and never in the area of the epic spawns (druid, sham, beast). I dont see it as a problem to manage the timeline. That is the mechanics SOE put in place for this fight.
EDIT: forgot to add ... how is this any different than a raid showing up in tactics to kill rallos? That fight has a big effect on that zone :P and there are probably many other examples as well.
QuoteOr do you just pop the mob and assume that they aren't there?
This is silly. You spend 30 seconds and ask the zone in /ooc or /shout if anyone is doing the druid epic mob. If not, pop the DDA and start your timer. It's that simple.
Also make sure no other raid is in zone, while youre doing your mob...
When we tried Krekk and beat him, and when a time guild I have a friend in tried him, both times, the zone had 2 30ish raids.
60 people total in zone.
When we did Krekk, around 50% life on Krekk, the zone DIED.
All players and npcs would stop moving for 15 sec, then.... move for 1-2 seconds fighting/casting, then stop moving for 15 sec, then move for 1-2 sec.
We completed the Krekk fight doing this, it took almost 20-30minutes total.
Would imagine itd be the same for any fight in this zone. Zone isnt designed to hold 60 people..... which is sad. BoT usually holds 140 before it starts dying.
Know this isnt really related to our fight directly....
Just try not to do turn in when another raid is in zone, likely will lag out like everyone on our server does when another raid is in this zone.
We've gotten War epic 1.5 and Shm epic 1.5 btw... with just 30 people or less both times.
Yet still DDA is impossible for us. /shrug.
And I guess just hope no one who had planned on doing it comes in during the next hour. Course they will never know how long it has been up and the raid with them will logically assume it was just popped. Why wait an hour when they could do something productive.
Still isnt that hard to time it and go there when its up.
Tusconi Pantheros
70th Beastlord
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.... i smell a tree hugger, an angry tree hugger
????????????
I am a "tree-hugger" because I have respect for other people enough not to mess with their raids that they might be starting? I am a "tree-hugger" because I can see that its not that hard to work within that schedule by simply figuring out when she will be up? rofl....that has to be the most hilarious thing I have ever heard!
Oh and one other thing. In reference to your edit to the previous post on how is this any different to a guild spawning RZ......umm, maybe cuz the guild plans on KILLING RZ and not just spawning him and leaving him up??....duh!
Tusconi Pantheros
70th Beastlord
Firiona Vie
You know. Some people in here really, really need to find some help.
Didnt know you could leave RZ up did they change his script :twisted: