It has been a while since I have memmed Flame(5k) or Snow(looted). I just use Rellic. Any other 65 Beasts use snow or flame on a regular basis over rellic?
Nope. Almost never, I think ummmmm emp? I use hobble more than I use any other proc besides rellic and in terms of play time that's way less than 1% hehe.
i use SoSnow/Flame when in kite groups
to keep the DPS of my kitten up with out the unfortunate side effects of Pasht accidently stealing agro from the kiter and getting eaten
~D~
Flame for emp. Other than that............can't think of anything.
I quit using flame or snow in kite groups because of the complaining that the stun effect was messing with the kiters "bunching" on mutiple pulls.
I used snow a lot in solro or in pofire, however mr gets debuffed so fast that it isnt worth it, now i just use rellic and in god trials sometimes hobble (although i hate hobble, no stun, no damage).
I am pretty exclusive to Rellic myself, unless I find a mob particularly resistant to it - in which case, I will switch it up for something more appropriate.
I am not a real fan of Hobble, though. Replacing a proc buff that does damage and stun for one that is strictly snare just seems wrong. I suggested long ago, on other sites before PoP came out, that we should have gotten a proc buff that was a combination DOT/Snare (similar to the Darkness line that Necros and SKs have, though of shorter duration) and call it "Spirit of the Spider" or something similar, then they came out with PoP and the AA skills. I am sure Hobble has its uses, but I feel it is severely limited compared to the requirements to obtain it.
I use fire when in groups or raids where agro = boom. Having to throw me a heal, steals from the efficiency of the group. Never use Rellic in kite groups. I don't mind getting beat on for a little while (I can take it), but real agro is a pain and can be a disaster when in GoD.
If I don't mind drawing agro, Rellic all the way.
I'm really confused by that statement Howlena. Rellic doesn't draw agro to you, it draws it to your pet...which actually helps the MT keep agro over nukers and DoTters and slowers. Perhaps you'd clarify?
Actually pet agro = pc agro .. when I swap procs and tell Stripes not to taunt I notice a difference in amout I get beat on changes even though I don't change my play style.
Zoban - the pet aggro = master aggro thing has been discussed a lot in another thread. Do you actually have any proof or repeatable tests that show you gaining more aggro? Several of us have tested this in several different ways, so if you have anything other than a "feeling" I'd like to hear it.
I use the highest one that I can most all of the time. Just because of the little bit of extra damage it provides. However certain situations you would want to change the proc.
Depending on the resists of the mob your after, the type of agro you want your pet to have/not have, or even not to stun (which is rare).
Rellic has everything that Fire and Snow has with 1 main difference, Rellic increases agro to your pet each time it procs. Where Fire and Snow reduces your pets agro each proc.
For me, since I can heal my pet better than I can myself, I tend to keep Rellic up for most fights. Only switching out when I notice that the pet hasn't landed a proc in a while or at all. That way if I am out soloing and I am tanking a mob with my pet, I can wait for a proc to land and step back away from mob and pet will hold agro long enough for me to heal myself or get a heal off on my pet.
Not sure if this is what Zoban was trying to say, but...
When grouped pet aggro is your aggro... when he taunts or uses his procs that adds aggro that goes towards your aggro pool. Hence when your tanking you may want to use spirt of the storm and hence why if your not tanking don't ever use that friggin spell. Heck I was playing my 54 SK alt the other day and I couldn't keep aggro of the bst in my group until his storm proc wore off and I made him use wind.
If your solo though pet aggro = pet aggro.
That simply is not true...I don't know where people get this stuff from.
Have a pet aggro the heck out of a mob while a Paladin stuns once, then just stands there.
Note that the mob will hit the paladin over the pet and not run for you.
Now do a /pet get lost. The mob won't run for you...it will continue to beat on the paladin. If the pet aggro was truly PC agro, the mob should bee-line for you. But it doesn't.
Thats not a valid test because a mob will always go after a pc in range rather than pet. To test properly you would have to stand in melee range next to the pally and see what happens.
OMG! (http://www.beastlords.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=939)
It's been tested TONS of ways. However, the situation mentioned is quite valid as well. If a paladin cast one stun and stood there and I chained a couple slows I'd have no problem ripping the mob over to me. With enough aggro over someone else you can pull a mob off them and pet certain generates very high amounts of aggro. If I had half the aggro my pet generated I'd have no problem pulling mob over to me. There are many different ways that it's been shown pet aggro can't possibly be added to master and I've yet to see a single replicatable case that can be used to show it is.
Quote from: MindletThats not a valid test because a mob will always go after a pc in range rather than pet. To test properly you would have to stand in melee range next to the pally and see what happens.
Didn't you notice the /pet get lost part of the equation?
Or fine, you make it simpler. Stand next to the paladin and the pet. The paladin will continue to get beat on if you take no alternate action because the pet agro is NOT the pc's agro, and the single paladin stun is greater than the 1 agro you gain for sending a pet in.
Quote from: ZobanActually pet agro = pc agro ..
I can't believe that you can be 65, with almost 200AAs, and say this stuff. :roll:
65th level 200 AA SK -
"God I hate how your celerity overwrites my eyepatch haste instead of stacking with it like vallon's haste does"
"Those hastes don't stack the icons and stats do"
"Nah the hastes do I swing faster I can tell"
Mind you this person is haste capped with just vallons + item and even if eye patch did stack he still wouldn't swing any faster. *shrugs*
65 Ranger ??? AA -
"I love new swift journey AA with this + SOW I move faster than a bard"
"no you don't"
"Yeah I do I can tell"
That's one day hehe. There are a *TON* of people that "know" things for some unknown reason hehe. I don't know if they hear it from people, if it's just going on what they happen to see or whatever, but I haven't gone a single day without seeing someone stating as fact something that is dead wrong and easily disproved hehe.
Quote from: Tastianbut I haven't gone a single day without seeing someone stating as fact something that is dead wrong and easily disproved hehe.
I guess I should stop avoiding pickup groups if I want to be entertained in that way ...
I dont care much about hate transfer, the only thing that puzzles me is on time VZ fight. Im normally the first or second to send my pet in and dont do much but pet positioning and keeping it alive, paragon around 50%. If im too near to the mob though i am instantly on the rampage list despite me not doing any damage at all to VZ. Only my pet does damage and taunts, i dont do anything except throwing the odd pet heal in or refreshing calliav.
That's one of the odd things about rampage...since it's not an agro list where you can move around on it, just a list made in the order you agro'd, it seems to count you instead of your pet if you're in range. My pet's been on rampage lots of times, but the instant I get in range and not tanking, I'm suddenly on rampage.
65 Enchanter: "If you overkill something by a lot it lowers the chance of it to drop tradeskill items"
Me: "Wow, that's an old rumor."
Enchanter: "Are you doubting me? I have 4 level 65 characters with the 8th Shawl...trust me on this!"
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Paladin: "Your pet is pushing the mob all over the room"
Me: Next battle I put my pet on the same side as the paladin, and just for good measure stand on the same side as the paladin, across from 2 Rangers and a Rogue. Mob push comes straight towards the paladin, same as before.
Paladin: "Dammit, stop the pet push!"
/sigh
"Weapon delay can't go below 1"
/screams lol one of my personal favs tkyn.
New one to add lol
"Give me charisma"
"Why!?"
"To help my slows"
Gotta love newbie 65s. This same ranger that KNEW bst got charisma buffs and that charisma helped his earthcaller proc land (on the off-chance it proc'd before my slow lol) also had too many "useful" buffs to remove one for ferocity! /boggle oh wells keeps me smiling