Since the nerf on our pets, I've felt like somewhat less of a Beastlord. I picked an Iksar for two main reasons: To look sexy and to have a huge lizard by my side in doing so. Well, while I'm still a stud, I can't help but feel smaller because of the size of my pet. Grouping with other Beastlords is the worst... especially an Ogre. My pet is about the size of one of it's paws. Even with the Barbarian and Vah Shir, my pet looks near insignificant. I personally do /feedback on the change on a fairly regular basis, stating that I never had any pet pathing problems due to my pet's size... and I guess what I'm getting at... have any Iksars out there ever actually had any problems with pathing due to the old pet size?
I like the smaller size of my Scalewolf Warder. I played an Ogre Beast to 36 and was forever having to shrink my bear, because it got in the road of the other melee.
I'm glad my Warder is on the smaller side. It's not the size that counts, but how you use it.
Hell i want them to make it even smaller
First of all, it's a bug, not a nerf, SOE seems to have no clue how to change beastlord warder sizes without causing some sort of disaster.
Secondly, I personally love the smaller pet- only having to shrink my pet once instead of three times every time I summon or un-suspend her is nice. And it's definitely better than the predicament of Vah Shir and Barbarians, whose pet can only be shrunk once and is still way too big, or the Ogres, who have to shrink their pet three times to get it down to the same size as the too-big Vah and Barb pets.
QuoteI'm glad my Warder is on the smaller side. It's not the size that counts, but how you use it.
The sig says it all. WOOT
I prefer the smaller pet too. She looks like a tiny rat when hit with Tiny Companion. When others taunt me about the size of her, I just pull out some log parses, and begin to state just how she out DPS-ed the rest of the group.
Side note: I was helping PL a few friends in FG the other day (46 Monk, 48 Warrior, 55 Ranger, 58 Beast - All pretty twinked). I was ungrouped, so I would pull and slow, they would kill. I would sic my pet at 45% to help finish. The 58 Beast said some things about the size of my pet vs his, and I asked him if he thought my pet could KS them. He said no way. On the next pull I sent lil Dot into the fight right away. Next thing I hear is them cussing my pet because she KS'ed them :lol:
Iksar pet owns now! I feel for ogres, kitties and barbies... they got all yelling on raids. :lol:
-Raz
I also like my scalewolf warder buddy. I think it is just the right size.
Make em all resonably big and so shrink works 2x on all of them - that way you can choose its size... like the old days. As of now, some are tiny and some are large and cant be shrunk enough.
I'm content with the current size scaled chokidai, during raid.
But I do miss having the normal shoulder height warder when I solo and explore. (I wish they would return to their original size)
My only request would be to summon the upgraded version, one of these....... :twisted:
(http://home.comcast.net/~kilantiz/Chokidai.jpg)
note: Just needs texture - perhaps colors that complement the scales of an Iksar! Or perhaps dark green or dark blood red color'd scales.
While the smaller size is a definite advantage in group/raid situations, I want to be given a choice in the matter! I used to love watching my warder get bigger as I got the new summon spells.... then one day it all went to hell.
If they can't fix the default warder size, why not just give us access to the grow spell? Would that fix it?
(Please note that my comments are really only directed towards Iksar and Troll warders.... I know what you poor Ogre's and Kitties have to put up with having unshrinkable warders and I feel for you.... honest!).
I don't really care about the small size anymore. After so many people telling me they are glad my pet is never in the way for raids or even xp groups I don't feel as bad anymore. The large vah shir warders really do annoy a lot of my fellow raiders and I get tells a lot saying they don't even notice I have my pet out (not sure how to take this :shock: )
I still just wish I had a choice in the matter. It's great for raids and all, but I haven't exactly been guilded since May, and most of my excursions are in exp groups and soloing. The only things I find it handy for are raids and LDoN groups... I never raid, though I do LDoN a lot, but I'd much prefer just having to whip out the ol' Wild Lord's boots for the 10 seconds it takes to shrink twice. A choice... it's all I ask for.
Out of curiosity, does anyone know if the tinkered maximizing device (or any other enlarging item) works on warders? I assume that it would but i've never tried it. I wouldn't mind being able to make my gecko into Lockjaw every once in a while.
Quote from: UndreadllOut of curiosity, does anyone know if the tinkered maximizing device (or any other enlarging item) works on warders? I assume that it would but i've never tried it. I wouldn't mind being able to make my gecko into Lockjaw every once in a while.
- The Warder will grow just a tad bit larger (not really noticeable), but is nothing compared to the Original size they once were.
It was the at the beginning of the month of Oct. 2003 - when all hell broke loose with warder size issues.
IMO - someone was fucking around and by accident nerfed the Warders, in the process that individual forgot to put them back to their Original height.
They released the first patch and in turn warders were bug'd. They made an attempt to correct the issue with a few emergency patches, only to have bug'd it even more.
I believe the reply that we were told was:QuoteWell, we've already stated that the Troll and Iksar warders will have to stay small. Making them larger means that they get stuck and path very badly because they get too long. 10/16/03
Interesting reply ..... me for one being an Iksar beast, haven't noticed any real serious pathing issues before the first initial patch. Nothing that would drive me to the point of /chain feedbacking re:pathing - sucks.
I think in the mist of them trying to correct this problem, only to have made things worse, they gave up trying to put them back to their original size.
Why? ........ Well, whoever fucked up - just can not remember probably how to put them back the correct way without fucking anything else up.
And whoever had the bright idea to fuck around with the warders - won't admit that they were the one responsible for all hell breaking loose.
So we are left with the reply - "Its a pathing issue"
Big pets simply get in the way, I want my warder as small as possible, as well as myself.
I think the 64 iksar warder is a pretty good size. I'd rather have it be somewhat on the small side than be an annoying, inadequately shrinkable monstrosity like the vah shir warder.
I guess the real complaint and problem that most people have is the following:
Iksar warders never pathed badly in the first place and were always shrinkable.
Even WAY back when I was in my mid 50's (When the pets were still buffed to certain levels and zoned with you), the iksar warder looked more like a bull. It was huge, but could still be shrunk to the size of the smallest scaled wolf in Field of Bone.
About the same time that they fugged up and made the Tigers as big as bears and subsequently shrunk them back to their normal size. The side effect was that they shrunk iksar warders to pigmies in the process.
I miss the big pet, but it doesn't decrease how effective I am...
...the eye candy is just sorely missed.
I'm happy with my current woman, she fits the bill very well...
...but I sure do miss hanging out with Carmen Electra. duh
I feel on track with Scalewulf here. It doesn't effect my productivity, but it does effect my feeling as a Beastlord. The size issue of my warder has helped in driving me to stop spending cash on my Beastlord and start saving up to spend cash on a Berserker. Every time I look at my warder, I get depressed, ESPECIALLY in a group where there's a Vah Shir, Ogre, or Barbarian. Just makes my pet look inferior.
I want double shrink back for my warder. The kitten of doom rocked!
I would be very glad to get a small pet as iksars have atm, unfortunately its way too late to reroll (and they can nerf it again). My unshrinkable wolf plain sucks because he makes targeting mobs very hard, especially in a raid situation. Assisting the MA i get some bst warder way more often than the mobs we have to attack and thats just annoying. A small pet is much better than a big one, doing the same damage but doesnt annoy my guild.
A big warder is something funny to look at, but its only use is for showing off and i sure dont need that. My value as a beastlord doesnt depend on the size of my warder, it depends on how i play the class. I still have a lot to learn and thats the main reason i still play, to become a better beastlord, not to get a bigger pet (well, there is no upgrade except the time range).
I wish they were all vah shir size,but id does suck how small the ikky and troll pets are,like when the tyroll pets were big it was cool,the first day they were tiny,a 65 troll was farming guards in HK and a 31 asked to group with him,without conning him,cause his pet was tiny,but the ogre pets are monstrosities! theyre way too friggen big,the15 ogre pet is as big as the 64 ikky pet,its MESSED UP.but its nice on raids(i guess,ive never raided,except once) hehe anyway,they shouldent have been messin with the graphics,or they should at least fix it!
be happy.. shamans still can't shrink or grow their pets ever since this starting to become an issue.
Oh, and I might have been mistaken but I thought that I saw someone say that vah shir warders can't be shrunk (they can).
It's all about being a Troll :D