Oh no - I was looking through another board (eqcleric.com) when I came across this thread.
QuoteSo off I run to GE and join this group which included a couple of guildies and after a couple of pulls I get a tell from the bst saying that he was sitting beside me and wondered what I thought of my new group and would I still consider joining him. I was a bit annoyed really that he'd followed me to GE but I stayed polite and said I'd give the new group half an hour at least. During that half hour he stayed beside me all the time throwing me the odd tell asking how I was getting on. To be honest he was annoying me but just then we had a bad pull and most of our group got wiped, including me. I did notice that he didn't do anything to help us even though he was 59. Anyway to cut a long story short I rezzed whoever needed rezzing and then our main tank said he was leaving so I thought I may aswell try grouping with this guy, mainly to get him off my back but I guess I thought it would be cool to see how much xp I would get if he started killing the red sambata's.
So I leave my group and group with him and we run to where they spawn and the first thing he did was say he was out of mana and he had to med! No idea what he'd been doing at the entrance to GE while he was sitting next to me all that time! Anyway his mana regen seems to be a lot slower than mine but eventually he says he's ready and pulls the first mob which was red to me. Sure enough he kills it but by having his pet melee it while he stood back and nuked. he didn't melee at all and once he'd killed it he announced he was OOM and had to med again. Well in a 40 minute period we killed 3 mobs, 2 reds and a dark blue, he was oom after every kill and I was sitting there thinking why did I leave the previous group!
Eventually I tell him I'm not to happy at the way it was going and he just tells me to follow him. So off we run into ME which I've never been to before and it so happens we're the only two people in the whole zone. There's a few red mobs wandering near the entrance and we both sit down and med to full health and mana when one of these mobs comes running up and attacks him. To my surprise he immediately runs backwards and zones! I couldn't believe it, he was a level 59 with full health and I was at full mana ready to heal him and he zones at 85% health!
I'd had enough by now and once I'd zoned back into DSP I told him this wasn't working as we'd killed 3 mobs in an hour by then and he just said "sorry but spells take all my mana." Now I've grouped with higher level beasties before, about 46 or 47 and they always meleed with their pets but it wasn't my job to tell this guy how to play his class I guess. In the end I just wished I'd stayed with the orginal group but I kinda felt pressurized by this guy to group with him, especially as he stayed by my side the whole time until I did!
It's a real shame when one of our own let's the side down... I don't know who the bst in question was or what server, but I was very dissapointed to read this.
Stalking is one thing (and bad) but when you can't play your class either, it just makes it worse. I would hope the majority of us are much better than this guy! (and from what I read on these boards, I think I can safely say we are!).
Anyway, let me know how this makes you feel... am I wrong to have posted this? I think it makes a good lesson of how NOT to behave when out in public.
with our growing popularity as a class, we have begun seeing more of the ugly side. more and more hollow eyed botted beastlords, bored other class twinks and the "bandwagon" set are growing in our numbers.
Its up to we, the dedicated members of the class to try and make sure they do not turn us into what the monks became in its darkest hours (Prior to their vicious nerfing) and maintian our class as one that has had some of the highest quality players in the game.
A lot of beastlords are converts from what used to be the highest quality played class previously (Shadowknights from the release/kunark era) and assorted pre-bandwagon monks. We have quality bloodlines from almost all classes, and a few who even started out the game on the beastlord class. Now we just have to make sure that our class and its percieved reputation is not hijacked by the unworthy.
Hows that for sounding arrogant? ;p
I'm happy with it.
BC
QuoteA lot of beastlords are converts from what used to be the highest quality played class previously (Shadowknights from the release/kunark era) and assorted pre-bandwagon monks.
Can i hear someone tooting their own horn? :roll: :wink:
How the hell do you go OOM one just one mob? I'm lucky to use 15% of my mana on a normal solo fight.
Sounds like this guy has no wisdom and just no clue how to play a Beastlord.
The Cleric should have just put the Beastlord straight on /ignore from the start.
Quote from: LabaQuoteA lot of beastlords are converts from what used to be the highest quality played class previously (Shadowknights from the release/kunark era) and assorted pre-bandwagon monks.
Can i hear someone tooting their own horn? :roll: :wink:
*cough* actually, I wish I could say I was.. in fact, the highest my SK made before I stored him away the first time for two years was 36. I was an old school warrior and rogue. and FAR from the most skilled of either class. I always admired the old school SK's though, they had a real tight community and were all masterful tactitians (At least on pre-split Rathe)
BC
It is ashame and I've seen it myself through watching my daughter (and her 58 sk) do groups in LDoN.
An Ogre bst (already shy on wisdom) that felt the need to cast more than melee and I shit you not, sat through most of her adv.
It was all I could do to keep from sending him a tell saying that he was the worst played bst I'd ever seen.
The funniest part is that he would brag about being able to take agro from my daughters SK whenever he wanted?!?!?!?!? LMAO no shit, dumbf_ck! If I blow all my mana on my highest agro dots, slow and incapacitate....hhmmm, wonder if God himself could get agro off of me.
And then sit and med?!?!?
Jebadias Christmas, who is teaching these fools how to play this class anyway?!?!?
The problem is nobody is teaching them. I know from personal experience that I will tell all new BSTs I come across about this website, but there are always those that slip through the cracks. The biggest problem is the people that think they can play any class just because they played their mage or warrior to lvl 55+. You see it with most classes, but unfortunately our time has come :(
That is really as much a reflection on bsts to me. That was justan utter moron, and would have been so playing any class - he just happened to be a bst. He would be just of much as a tard if he had been a ranger. /shrug
er, not as much of a reflection on bsts.
/begs for edit function :)
Umm .. what does this have to do with BSTs? Just someone thats boxing his twink/ebay BST while his main is on a raid. Medding so much and nuking instead of meleeing, claiming 'oom', etc sounds like he is paying attention to something else.
Imo, the original cleric poster could have made many MANY decisions differently as soon as any frustration kicked in.
Reminds me of a quote from Star Wars. "Who's more foolish? The fool or the fool who follows him?"
I have noticed a lot more BL's around now days and just about everyone has a BL alt now. I'm hopeing the new Berzerker class will draw some of these bandwagoners away come Feb.
Every class has it's share of "those that think they can play but really can't" and of course those that "know it all and think they have the right to tell others how to play".
Screw them all and just play your own game. In the process try not to be a complete f-tard, ask other beastlords what they do, and be willing to learn about your chosen class. I promise all will be well.
Quality game play will reflect well upon your own reputation and that's about as good as you can ever get. What others do can't tarnish that.
Twice I've grouped with Beastlords that did not Melee. One of them knew what he was doing, had his WIS maxxed and kept his Warder buffed and healed. He didn't waste our time waiting for him to med ( and there was no bard or chanter).
The second one seemed to be an ex caster class. His WIS was marginal, kept nuking when Warder was still full of HP's, would run mana out when Warder needed healing, and screem for help when Warder died and Mobs jumped him. When I tried to suggest some different stradegies (conserve mana, Melee) he flamed me about how stupid I was and "I have 3 level 65, Time flagged chars, I don't need advice from YOU, nOOb!" The group leader disbanded him. The entire group cheered. He cursed all the way to the zone line. Our kill rate went up.
Some people think having a level 65 char makes you an expert in all things EQ. I admit that a level 65 char, no matter what class, has substancial knowlege that I don't. But this guy just proved that idiots can show up anywhere.
OMG! HAHA! That story was hilarious.
-Raz
Having played 3 other classes up to 65 Ive met a few idiots on the way.
In the past it used to be Druids that attracted the most immature/immbecilic people to that class but sadly nowadays it does seem to be Beastlords.
:cry:
Temek
Well, somehow the word on how to play bsts gets out there. I had a group in PoV pull me in today and when I got to them, I had a good laugh to myself because I was the third beastlord in the group. I had even more laughs watching as the three of us would make almost the same moves at the same time when it came to pet positioning. We eventually just formed a triangle and had the puller bring the mob right into the center.
I'm sure this player was made aware of the proper way to work a beastlord the very next group he had with one.
I can't remeber where I read it, but this all reminds me of a quote.
Saying you have a beastlord alt is like saying, "I breath air"
Think that came from the warrior board, off one of the mods there (Shikarii, to be precise (http://www.thesteelwarrior.org/forum/showthread.php?postid=53976#post53976)).
(Note: This was back in october of last year, before the warrior improvements when warriors were very touchy on the tanking ability of pretty much every class out there because it was literally all they had and others were so good you didn't have any special bonus to having a warrior tank)
Sucks grouping with another beastlord or 2 and all they do is sit on their Dogma's in the back while you do all the work like pulling, slowing and meleeing.
I've meet one or two Beastlords that have asked what I'm doing meleeing instead of pet clericing. like I'm weird or something? i love to get in and get my hands dirty. Make a cleric if you want to heal all the time.
Every class has idiots, some classes are much more prone to it than others...
I'm sorry, but I have trouble seeing the usefulness of pet clericing at all. In the beginning, before it was clear what we could do, I could understand it. But I'd think by now that everyone would have realized that pet clericing is simply not efficient and basically limits our usefulness severly.
Occasionally, while soloing, one may want to back out and rest while the pet fights, but never in a group. I would never describe someone who does that as knowing what he was doing.
Quote from: HrannBut I'd think by now that everyone would have realized that pet clericing is simply not efficient and basically limits our usefulness severly.
Occasionally, while soloing, one may want to back out and rest while the pet fights, but never in a group. I would never describe someone who does that as knowing what he was doing.
Yikes the arrogance. I must have no clue since not only do I think pet clericing can be efficient but I've done it (or variations of it) for most of my way to 65.
I pet clericed a ton from ~15 all the way thru to 62/64 or so when soloing. Don't even try and tell me its more efficient to be fighting toe-to-toe - I would have gotten my butt handed to me so many times its not even funny. If you are twinked sure you can stand up there longer, even then I suspect that won't be the case as much as you seem to think. For sure in my 30s there was no way I'd be taking the melee damage for more than 25% of the fight because the downtime was horrendous. And there was no real reason to ... my own DPS was horrid compared to my warder's until .. hmm ... level 55-or-so?
How about .. iI would never describe someone that thinks a BST should be able to stand toe-to-toe with all of their foes as someone who knows what they are doing. Don't spout off drivvel that makes new BSTs feel bad about themselves as soon as they leave PC because they can't solo tank a DB and not have to med/bandage for the next 5 minutes. Or those level 60s that end up wondering why they cant solo a PoN tree tank-style.
On the original post however, of course if you are sitting there with a healer there is no reason to be pet clericing unless the healer is OOM. But thats obvious ...
Personally, I've never worn anything that I didn't loot or buy from the bazaar with money I made with this beastlord (ok, a friend did give me 1 PSU when I was level 24, it was uber). I don't really have much against twinking, but I didn't engage in it myself.
Now, as to your response regarding pet clericing, I ask you to read this part of my post again, which you yourself quoted:
QuoteOccasionally, while soloing, one may want to back out and rest while the pet fights, but never in a group.Quote
While soloing, especially in the lower levels, there is often the need to back out and rest and let the pet fight. However, if you are not standing toe-to-toe with the mob at all, your hps are not regening, and I can categorically state that you are not being as efficient as someone who was tanking for at least a little while.
When in a group, there is never a reason to pet cleric, unless you are fighting extremely tough mobs AND your group is completely a pet group, and even then the above paragraph about fighting at least some of the time applies.
My post came out of the posts further up within this thread from people that stated they were in LDoN groups with people that pet clericed. I stand by my original post - anyone doing this needs to learn a little more.
Quote from: HrannI ask you to read this part of my post again, which you yourself quoted:
QuoteOccasionally, while soloing, one may want to back out and rest while the pet fights, but never in a group.
That statement isn't that bad (though I would have much less objections if the wording was more like "While soloing there are times where you will want to back off and let the pet fight while you heal and regain mana" rather than having the bit of rhetoric in there than makes it sound 'bad' to do so.
Anyways, I felt your other generic statements were wrong.
Quote from: Hrann
My post came out of the posts further up within this thread from people that stated they were in LDoN groups with people that pet clericed. I stand by my original post - anyone doing this needs to learn a little more.
There is no mention about pet clericing in LDoN in this thread btw, the ONLY instance of pet clericing prior to your post saying that pet clericers don't know what they are doing was this:
Quote from: Whiptail_WarclawI've meet one or two Beastlords that have asked what I'm doing meleeing instead of pet clericing. like I'm weird or something? i love to get in and get my hands dirty. Make a cleric if you want to heal all the time.
Which you followed with:
Quote from: HrannI'm sorry, but I have trouble seeing the usefulness of pet clericing at all. <snip> I would never describe someone who does that as knowing what he was doing.
Can you see why I would get all excited about that? If not, thats fine. But I posted a rebuttle to ensure that any readers don't get discouraged if they need to 'pet cleric' more often than not.
I did an LDoN once where I didn't melee for more than, say, a third of the time.
I did some pet clericing, but not much.
No enchanter, no bard, no shaman. :)
Define Pet Clericing.
Sitting back and letting pet do all the work is not efficient at all in the latter levels. well, it's not effecient at any time because your melee/defensive skills will suck ass.
I cannot remember a time at all, that the pet tanked better than me. I have better heals for the pet, true. But mitigating damage, etc.. not even comparable.
the /pet hold AA and summoners boon has allowed it to be feasible now. Simply because after pe gets agro, I can /pet hold + /pet guard here and let her regen.
When I was lower level, I would pull at 75% health and tank to 25%, let pet finish them while I bandaged. This to me was more efficient than the shitty heal we get early on and saved much mana for everything else.
But to just pet cleric is severly handicapping yourself and not doing much to learn all the different tactics that are at your disposal as a BST. And learning the different tactics will only help you and the people that group with you later down the road.
IMO
Quote from: ScalewulfI cannot remember a time at all, that the pet tanked better than me.
The focused\buffed (IoS, kragg, virt) pet tanks noticably better than I do right now, non-focused pet was marginally better. Admittedly I'm only at ~1200AC...
As I've always dual boxed when "solo", pet clericing has never been an issue :P
Well, then your pet has better luck than mine. Give me virtue, give my pet virtue we go against the same mob and I will last much longer.
My pet gets hit for max damage much more than I do and it's always been that way for me.
Now if you have shitty hp gear and pet has twice your hp's, that's another thing entirely.
OK, you're right, they didn't say it was a LDoN group. But this is what I was referring to:
QuoteTwice I've grouped with Beastlords that did not Melee. One of them knew what he was doing, had his WIS maxxed and kept his Warder buffed and healed.
Anyway I much prefer being called wrong than arrogant, so at least that's something of an improvement :)
I tank better than my pet, but I'm sure there were times when the opposite was true. However it was sitll not a good idea just to sit and watch them tank. It's still better to tank as much as you can and then sit to regen.
Quote from: ScalewulfSitting back and letting pet do all the work is not efficient at all in the latter levels. well, it's not effecient at any time because your melee/defensive skills will suck ass.
My pet did 90% of the tanking but I jousted ... my melee skills were fine. I got hit enough so that defense was not bad ... didn't max that till 55 I think though I know of 65 BSTs that don't have it maxed. I was never at full health or full mana, and neither was my warder. You can't possibly get more efficient than that.
Quote from: Scalewulf
I cannot remember a time at all, that the pet tanked better than me. I have better heals for the pet, true. But mitigating damage, etc.. not even comparable.
Then you were twinked seriously from at least 15-50. At 22 I moved from kurns to SoNH and it wasn't me that tanked the red froggy berzerker and red ton warrior simultaneously. I'd be dead tanking either for more than 30 seconds. At 39 I'm sorry my recollection is that a drovalg rager would take 6 swipes at me and I'd go from 90% to half health and start hoping Snuggles had aggro. At 49 I stood up to Gullerback and Trakasaurus Rex for 10% of each fight because getting less than 20% health is NOT a good idea. At 62, my pet tanked so rediculously better than me I was in melee for less than 1/3 of every PoP solo fight I tried (PoN/PoI trash). Even now at 65.270+ my focussed warder isn't tanking too much worse than me, given the same hp buffs. You can't remember a time your pet tanked better than you? I can't remember too many times he did tank better (lesse, levels 9-14, 26-29, 37/38, maybe 47/48, 54/55 I got close again ... then not till 'the end') and in any event healing the pet was much, much more efficient than healing myself timewise with bandages/sit regen (or healing spells) except early on when inner fire ruled ...
Quote from: ScalewulfWhen I was lower level, I would pull at 75% health and tank to 25%, let pet finish them while I bandaged. This to me was more efficient than the shitty heal we get early on and saved much mana for everything else.
Are you kidding? You are going to sit there and REGEN 25% of your health between pulls (bandage to 50% and pull at 75%)? You call that efficient? /boggle Levels 30-50 that really must've sucked even as an iksar (gonna wait 5-10 minutes for a couple hundred hps?). Mr Pet cleric was constantly pulling with no mana regen however, though it took an extra 25% time to kill the mob - which was maybe 30 seconds extra.
Quote from: Scalewulf
But to just pet cleric is severly handicapping yourself and not doing much to learn all the different tactics that are at your disposal as a BST. And learning the different tactics will only help you and the people that group with you later down the road.
You are kidding again right? What kind of tactic to you get by standing up and hitting 'a', or 'q'? Or are you talking about the sit-and-regen tactic after the fight? Some things I got out of pet clericing included: learning to watch the surroundings for adds, learning to balance pulls with hp/mana regen, handling multiple mobs at once solo (and this maps to groups), more observations on how mob aggro works, pet control, the list goes on. Yeah I could learn these by meleeing too ... but hey look I learned them. And let me tell you, for every one person that knows most of the above, there are 10 level 65 BSTs that dont. They could have done/learned alot more solo pet clericing then /pet attack and autoattack "tactics" in groups.
I will agree with anyone that says, in the original post that the BST had no business pet clericing - completely non-efficient. He had a cleric there with him. But if someone goes and makes blanket statements about pet clericing being useless, and you suck as a BST if you do it, I have to go and say they are WRONG and/or are missing an important aspect of playing a BST, especially in the lower levels. There are plenty of places where pet clericing makes sense ... from solo to pet groups to pet off-tanking and beyond (how often do I see BSTs pet off-tanking and letting their pets die because they don't seem to be able to watch the pets health? LOTS). Heck before they opened up BoT I was trying to solo a blasted militis multiple times and I COULD NOT stand up to it for more than 30 seconds before a double hit would send me off to PoTranq. But with pet clericing, I just had enough mana to balance health on myself and my pet for a win. I guess I must suck though because I didn't stand there and get pummelled to death :roll:
The fact is, there are beasts out that that used to and continue to equip their bst as a "pet cleric". All wis and mana and no melee stats/hps. This will serve you poorly in the long term due to the need to swap out equipment, and poorly in the short term because you won't be able to stand up and fight as much.
Maybe this will clarify: Playing as a "pet cleric" is bad. Pet clericing when you are low on health is good.
Quote from: TheOriginalGronkerAt 62, my pet tanked so rediculously better than me I was in melee for less than 1/3 of every PoP solo fight I tried (PoN/PoI trash). Even now at 65.270+ my focussed warder isn't tanking too much worse than me, given the same hp buffs.
I was with you up until here. I've soloed Plane of Nightmares/Plane of Innovation a whole lot since hitting level 60, and I tank so much better than my pet that I honestly can't imagine what you are seeing. If I tank and Chloroblast myself I use so little mana that I can pull nonstop, and Paragon/Spiritual Dominion/Flowing Thought 5(what I have) will keep up with my mana usage. If I try and let my pet tank even one of these mobs I'll use ~40% of my mana per kill. And with an unbuffed AC of just over 900 I can hardly imagine that your AC is that much worse than mine.
And I hardly can be called "twinked" if that even applies once you are 60+.
Quote from: ScalewulfNow if you have shitty hp gear and pet has twice your hp's, that's another thing entirely.
Pet has ~6600hp (4800+395+1405), I sit at ~5200hp with my regular exp buffs. Shitty? Dunno, works fine for me.
I very rarely go to PoP (we hates it), that could be a big difference due to mob levels vs. pet level.
I dont know why this pissies me off but it does
a good beastlord balances his self and his gear and knows when to tank and when to cleric, and to take a potion that is eitehr all melee or all cleric shows your ignorance and weakness. so all you melee bst learn to cleric all you cleric learn to melee and the world we be a happer place. when your done if you still think one is better then the other then come back and tell us why other wise keep you one sided veiws to your self.
ps sorry for rant
QuoteI cannot remember a time at all, that the pet tanked better than me. I have better heals for the pet, true. But mitigating damage, etc.. not even comparable.
Hmmmm.
At level 62 I would go to PoI and my pet would tank mezz when we had adds.
Slowed mobs would kick by butt when I tried to do it, but snappy would hang in there and do a better job than I did.
My gear isn't a ton different than your own and yet I never saw me as a better tank than my warder was at that level.
Even today I can off tank with snappy on BoT giants and keep him alive with 2-3 2k heals and yet I couldn't do that job with only one 6k heal for me.
I dunno..............maybe I was just the victim of RNG.
Nox
I get the feeling that peeps think I'm saying you should melee 100% of the time.
Look, I solo'd to 65, I think I know how to solo efficiently. Sitting at 205 aa's, which 100+ came by way of soloing. Do I have all the answers, certainly not. But what I do is very efficient.
I debuff and melee with pet for the most part. Regen is (self buffed) 46-52. All defensive aa's maxxed, all offensive aa's maxxed. With that being said, now I tank about twice as good as pet, she may have a shitload of hps, but they drop quickly.
I should add that I keep fero up at all times and pet gets nuked and dotted to hell because I won't keep fero on pet.
My tactic of using bandages / heals 50/50 way back when was very efficient.
Most bst's I see that pet-cleric (My definition of pet clericing) will turn and run with add's because they can't keep their pet healed while it's taking adds.
And that just suxxors, those are also the first people in LDoN to yell, "Zone" when we have 4 - 5 mobs in camp. Luckily I have at least 3 friends in these groups that understand this as the time to lay the smacketh down, not turn tail and run.
Pet clericing in the latter game just isn't effcient imo, you don't have to agree, you have your opinion, I have mine and we can agree to disagree.
I know I like to have a$$kicker$ in my groups that go ballz to the wall, not tentative people that wanna run to zone when they get beat on a little.
What people get used to doing as they level up tends to become part of their personality and what they fall back on in later levels...
Please don't think I'm speaking from uber-land, as you can tell from my magelo, I'm not even Elemental. But I do play my beast very well and efficiently, as the people I group with would tell you.
Just a difference in opinions/beliefs we have here I suppose,
:wink:
QuoteI should add that I keep fero up at all times and pet gets nuked and dotted to hell because I won't keep fero on pet.
Pet has whatever resists you have, so if you fero yourself the pet will still have the added bonus of the resists anyways.
Nox
Sorry Nox, not true.
that is only on your innate resists and gear, not spell resists.
Quote from: Noxdowne DraggoutQuoteI cannot remember a time at all, that the pet tanked better than me. I have better heals for the pet, true. But mitigating damage, etc.. not even comparable.
Hmmmm.
At level 62 I would go to PoI and my pet would tank mezz when we had adds.
Slowed mobs would kick by butt when I tried to do it, but snappy would hang in there and do a better job than I did.
Thats exactly my experience as well. From my AA grinding in PoN at 62, my parses showed mobs doing roughly 30% less damage to my pet than if I was tanking. Mitigating damage, etc .. not even comparable is certainly true but the other way around.
Quote from: Noxdowne Draggout
Even today I can off tank with snappy on BoT giants and keep him alive with 2-3 2k heals and yet I couldn't do that job with only one 6k heal for me.
Heck at 64 I could hardly stand up to some of those giants for a few seconds without waiting for a rez afterwards while sometimes the pet could get by without any heals offtanking before the rest of the group finished the first mob.
Course it isn't so bad that people think the pets can't tank .. always nice to impress :wink:
Scalewulf, are you sure that's the case? Everything I've ever read or heard said that pets get the same resists as you, buffed and all. Anecdotally, it seems to fit for me as well.
I don't believe it to be the case Hrann.
The original post I saw on this was on the old site and it was referrenced that when pet was summoned, that it would have your resists at the time of summoning. This would lead you to believe that spell resists would not be taking into account.
In Droga, I resist hella more spells than pet does. Level could play a significant part, but these mobs are around level 55 (that I'm referring too). So I have doubts that its the level difference between myself and pet.
I just wanted to add, that yes there are times when pet clericing is the smartest thing to do. Given the choice of dying and your group/raid losing both your DPS and the pets, I'll step back and keep pet alive just to keep some form of DPS on the given mob.
laterz...
Pet clericing is doing NO melee, just sitting on your ass and healing your pet, maybe nuking dotting, etc.
The only time I have ever pet cleric'd is while medding up on mobs easy enough that the warder could solo them, or when I had 2-3 mobs at a time before I could channel pet heals.
On really hard hitting mobs, AFTER I take 60% damage, I may decide that I can hold out longer by medding and dropping heals on the pet, but This very rarely happens, and really only slows the fight down so I have more mana/hp/options.
The closest I ever to pet clericing consistantly got was jousting in my 30's.
I really don't think even the level 30 pet tanks better then beastlord, it only gets worse after that, until you hit level 62.
Until I got chloroblast I never healed myself, just tanked until I was down to 25%, then bandaged up to 50% and jumped right back in.
Pet clericing in groups is very foolish, the only time I have to med is if I'm not KEI'd and I'm the only slower, haster, buffer around.
Quote from: ScalewulfI don't believe it to be the case Hrann.
The original post I saw on this was on the old site and it was referrenced that when pet was summoned, that it would have your resists at the time of summoning. This would lead you to believe that spell resists would not be taking into account.
In Droga, I resist hella more spells than pet does. Level could play a significant part, but these mobs are around level 55 (that I'm referring too). So I have doubts that its the level difference between myself and pet.
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Your pet has the same resists you do. I'm coming at this from the eplanes perspective with AEs with -200(or greater) resist modifiers on them that you need 400+ resist to think about resisting them. I always summon pet at beginning of the raid before any other buffs are done (besides SD on group).
The pet does get hit slightly more often than me with AEs, but that is easily attributable to the 5 level difference there.
My kingdom for an edit button :evil:
The only reason they implemented the change to have your pets resists equal yours, is so that you didnt have to waste time resist buffing both yourself and the pet.
If the shit has hit the fan and you really need warder to off-tank one tough mob while you tank another, you need to avoid having to heal warder at all if possible.
It is perfectly feasible, if you have DPoC, to put warder on Guard and Hold as soon as it has aggro on the mob you want it to off tank.
If that mob is slowed you probably won't have to heal your warder at all, because regen is so fast with DPoC.
/agree Hzark
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I do that all the time! 8)