Parsing of Incapacitate?

[maxawesome]

Sorry if this is already covered in another thread. I searched, but found nothing.

Has anyone parsed their DPS on a given mob with and without Incapacitate??

I would like to know if it is having a significant impact, and to what extent, so as to justify it's place in my spell line-up. I might do some parsing of my own if no one else has, but wanted to see if anyone's already done the leg work first.

Thanks!!

-Iidun

[mogtoth1]

Biggest problem with this is that the spell is one that should only show up in defensive parsing. From reading a lot of other threads defensive parsin is much more a pain than offensive.

I still use incapacitate when soloing and yes, I do find it reduces the damage I receive overall. I also find that it sticks to the majority of mobs quite easily. As my Alt is a Shaman its strange that I feel it sticks more, but this may just be perception as I have never parsed it, than cripple. Not bad for a 50's spell.

[Taiglin]

Basically if the fights are going to be longish like a minute plus it can have an affect. The real reason many have it memmed is aggro if you are the tank. If we are really chaining mobs I have even drop to the lvl 44(?) version just to save mana. Either case I find it is resisted often but the aggro component is there regardless.

[maxawesome]

Biggest problem with this is that the spell is one that should only show up in defensive parsing. From reading a lot of other threads defensive parsin is much more a pain than offensive.

I still use incapacitate when soloing and yes, I do find it reduces the damage I receive overall. I also find that it sticks to the majority of mobs quite easily. As my Alt is a Shaman its strange that I feel it sticks more, but this may just be perception as I have never parsed it, than cripple. Not bad for a 50's spell.

Why is it for defensive parsing only? It has an AC reduction component as well. I usually just duo with my druid bot, and never have a problem gaining aggro with or without Incapacitate, but want to know if it is helping me land more hits than I would without it.

Thanks,
Iidun

[Taiglin]

I could be way way off here but I think a reduction in mob AC wouldn't let you hit more often, it will let you hit for more. The reason it doesn't help overly much is because it doesn't reduce their AC by all that much (24).

The other side of the coin is having the Druid reduce the mob's attack (if you aren't already) which can/will reduce the amount of damage you take.

Edit: Blast from the past - a post with Cop in it! http://www.beastlords.org/forums/index.php?topic=2692.0

[Tastian]

I was actually reading over that thread.  Cop is uber, but there are a lot of names in that thread that I miss.  8`(

Sigh...

[Tigrah]

did one of the spell missions where the mobs hit hard in general, and the tank requested that I use incap. Surprisingly enough to me, the tank reported a noticeable drop in the mobs dps.

[hakaaba]

Solo'ing, killing mobs in 60s flat, mob does 25 dps on average, you+your pet do ~150 dps.

remember these kinds of numbers?

Theres also a reference to split tanking with a pet.  That hasnt been possible in awhile either  :roll:

PS.  with mobs doing so much more damage nowadays, wouldnt the value of incapacitate have increased dramatically while the value of our other stuff (which used to be more viable) have stayed relatively the same?

[Tastian]

Actually depends on a lot of factors.  The mana to damage ratios have gone up on some spells, BE now verse ice spear then.  In theory our heals got better lol.  I'm actually not sure, but in some cases, yeah it should be much more reasonable.  The main break point for me was always fight duration and aggro.  In a short fight it just doesn't have as much time to work, and the earlier I apply the more effect it has.  *shrugs*

Oh and god I miss those days.  8(

[mogtoth1]

When in a group/raid without a shaman I usualy have Incap memmed and throw it on mobs anyway. It cant hurt and does some good. I do notice the difference on the damage I take when soloing (always use it then - I tend to do the fallen spirits in Arcstone). Not parsed but the difference in damage taken is noticable.

[Pakratz]

I gave this a shot once, but i was lev 58 or so.  Soloing it let me kill an average of 15% faster over time while maintaining mana pool.  This includes both a little higher dps and a little less healing mana for heals, cumulative effect.  Very uncontrolled test, just tried it for an hour with and an hour without.  /shrug