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Everquest 1 => Sony Beastlord Correspondent Information => Old Correspondent Information => Topic started by: Zarraphel on September 18, 2006, 11:36:28 AM

Title: Racial exp penalties gone:
Post by: Zarraphel on September 18, 2006, 11:36:28 AM
I got this of  the Primal Dreams site for TSS info:

Note there are no EXP penalties for Drakkin, infact all racial exp penalties are being removed. :-o

Is this confirmed?

If this is true, this has made one level 58 Troll Beastlord very happy about this expansion  :-D... (Yeah I realize this is not strictly an expansion feature... but who cares)

Title: Re: Racial exp penalties gone:
Post by: Jaeren on September 18, 2006, 11:41:23 AM
I'm not really sure but I saw it mentioned elsewhere as well and it got my interest, just can't try it to find out yet, be another week-ish before I'm back online
Title: Re: Racial exp penalties gone:
Post by: Skanda on September 18, 2006, 11:54:11 AM
Maddoc removed them from Beta a few weeks ago and so they should be getting removed from Live Tuesday.

-Link to thread- (http://eqforums.station.sony.com/eq/board/message?board.id=Lvlinc&message.id=305&view=by_date_ascending&page=3). Not that you can read that thread without beta forum access but there it is.

Title: Re: Racial exp penalties gone:
Post by: Boister on September 18, 2006, 12:41:09 PM
You think i get a refund on all my exp penalty as a troll?

hehe, can always dream!  :wink:
Title: Re: Racial exp penalties gone:
Post by: Zarraphel on September 18, 2006, 01:11:32 PM
hehe... that would be awesome, but quite frankly I don't care that much since I still have 11.21^H^H^H^H^H 16.21 levels left.

I know that I would have been level 60, not 58 had I been Vah Shir or even Barbarian.. Still I'm enjoying the ride (I only joined 8 months ago, so I am one of those elusive new everquest players), but after level 55 it was getting a little bit annoying knowing that other races who had no distinct disadvantage over me would be getting exp 25% faster. (100/80 = 1.25)..

I am not bothered about a refund, but the knowledge that I will now be able to level at the same speed as people from other races sure has made me a little bit more enthusiastic about reaching level 70 soon (eventhough the other change: the AA one... makes me want to stop leveling a bit and get some AAs ... ahh choices)

On a related note, since this is a beastlord site: I thought class penalties had been removed however my wife started a Vah Shir Beastlord, and I started a Vah Shir Rogue. We haven't been able to play much, but did the same quests, all our kills were grouped... And still she's allready 20% of a level behind at level 4... ? Is there still a penalty for Beastlords or do Rogues get a bonus?

Title: Re: Racial exp penalties gone:
Post by: Skanda on September 18, 2006, 01:30:49 PM
Quote from: Zarraphel on September 18, 2006, 01:11:32 PM
Is there still a penalty for Beastlords or do Rogues get a bonus?

He mentioned in that same thread that class penalities were removed a while ago. He didn't mention anything about class bonuses being removed but I would think they would have been removed too. /shrug

P.S. He also mentioned that you wouldn't be getting refunded on exp loss caused by the racial penality.
Title: Re: Racial exp penalties gone:
Post by: Shamno on September 18, 2006, 02:12:55 PM
All class bonuses stayed in, the same with race bonus when the expansion goes in.
Title: Re: Racial exp penalties gone:
Post by: Tastian on September 18, 2006, 02:58:51 PM
When they removed the class penalties, they kept the class bonuses in.  Warriors and rogues still get a bonus.  Also halflings still get a racial exp "bonus".

The penalties will be removed with the expansion as I've said, and that'll be a pretty noticeable change for several beastlord classes.  8P
Title: Re: Racial exp penalties gone:
Post by: hakaaba on September 18, 2006, 04:04:05 PM
Quoteseveral beastlord classes

Are you sure about that? :p
Title: Re: Racial exp penalties gone:
Post by: Tastian on September 18, 2006, 04:31:38 PM
Only thing I'm sure of is that I haven't had sleep since friday.  I'm not even sure what day today is, but I know I haven't slept since friday lol. 
Title: Re: Racial exp penalties gone:
Post by: Zarraphel on September 18, 2006, 05:16:19 PM
Thanks Tastian..

Just what I wanted to hear, that the penalties were dropped.

It is monday, now congratulate yourself on a job well done(all the class changes, not this side-issue of racial penalties) and go get some sleep.
Title: Re: Racial exp penalties gone:
Post by: Jaeren on September 18, 2006, 05:18:25 PM
Tastian only sleeps every third day, today is almost sleep time, don't ask him hard questions.
Title: Re: Racial exp penalties gone:
Post by: Tastian on September 18, 2006, 10:01:25 PM
lol, hearing that today is monday actually made me smile because jaeren is right, I do get to sleep soon~!!  8) 

I'm tempted to go try taking a nap because beta won't let me in atm to check some stuff.  *shrugs*
Title: Re: Racial exp penalties gone:
Post by: Ikkorus on September 19, 2006, 05:45:15 AM
Im glad to see this happened.  Even more glad to see that bonuses stayed in...new main is a halfling rogue lol.
Title: Re: Racial exp penalties gone:
Post by: Numa on September 19, 2006, 12:22:36 PM
It is confirmed in a patch message:

*** Miscellaneous ***

- Race based experience penalties have been removed.
Title: Re: Racial exp penalties gone:
Post by: Discordant on September 21, 2006, 03:34:55 PM
I disagree with them removing them.  It absolutely will kill people choosing humans now.
Title: Re: Racial exp penalties gone:
Post by: Jaeren on September 21, 2006, 05:00:24 PM
Barb > all anyway :p
Title: Re: Racial exp penalties gone:
Post by: Tastian on September 21, 2006, 07:33:06 PM
Humans still have a racial exp bonus as far as I know.  Both humans and halflings originally had a +exp bonus.  To my knowledge only the penalties were removed, but I'm not certain atm.
Title: Re: Racial exp penalties gone:
Post by: Nusa on September 21, 2006, 11:28:03 PM
Humans don't have and never had a racial exp bonus to my knowledge. I do believe the bonus that halflings got was supposed to be on humans, but a mistake was made and it was too hard to fix when discovered, and now is too hard to fix politically. Beastlords can't be humans anyway.

It's all semantics. If you make halflings the standard, then every other race is getting a penalty. Logically, bonuses should have gone away too.
Title: Re: Racial exp penalties gone:
Post by: Bengali on September 22, 2006, 03:29:43 PM
The only "bonuses" were to halflings (racial) and warriors (class).  There used to be a hybrid xp penalty, but when they got rid of that, they kept the bonus so as to avoid nerfing anyone.  I imagine the same logic (such as it is) is behind the decision not to get rid of the halfling bonus along with the other racial penalties.
Title: Re: Racial exp penalties gone:
Post by: Grbage on September 22, 2006, 05:25:57 PM
Believe that rogues got the same +5% xp bonus that wars did.
Title: Re: Racial exp penalties gone:
Post by: Tastian on September 22, 2006, 06:31:44 PM
Rogues and warriors both had a bonus.  Know halflings did, remember all the racial penalty/hybrid penalties.  Not sure on human, for some reason I think human had like half the bonus halflings did, or maybe I've got the rog/war one swapped, it's been forever.  8(
Title: Re: Racial exp penalties gone:
Post by: Shieara on September 22, 2006, 10:05:16 PM
As far as I know humans never got any kind of bonus.  The bonus that halflings has was supposed to go to humans, and it never got fixed.

Well that is my recollection :P
Title: Re: Racial exp penalties gone:
Post by: Gatorr on September 27, 2006, 06:11:33 AM
When I started EQ(Kunark) I think I remember seeing Humans and Barbarians(less than humans) got an EXP bonus, I never made one though.
Title: Re: Racial exp penalties gone:
Post by: jitathab on September 27, 2006, 08:29:36 AM
Kill all humans!

For a bst it does make Ogre a bit more attractive, the unstunable mellee from front part with no negative xp mod will help a lot on tanking.
Title: Re: Racial exp penalties gone:
Post by: Khauruk on September 27, 2006, 01:48:28 PM
Ogre was worth it w/o the mod...now I'm interested in starting another as a newbie just to "relive" the early experience!
Title: Re: Racial exp penalties gone:
Post by: iamweaver on September 27, 2006, 01:50:10 PM
I always figured that the XP penalties were because you poor Ogres, Trolls and Iksar clearly weren't the sharpest knives inthe drawer.  I guess the "No child left behind" program has hit EQ!