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Old school beast nerf (Wycca's SoF sustained dps comparisons)

Started by Hzath, April 12, 2010, 05:03:24 AM

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Hzath

http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AQGXcSNaOAmOZGN3cjhidjhfNmRrc3M0d2Y3&hl=en

For those who never got to see this I was trolling on the monk forums and it was recently reposted.  I won't go on a long winded rant about it, from a historical perspective it's well done and the flaws really aren't that great.



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Zunar

This is what resulted in bst nukes geting linked then? heh

Bumkus

http://forums.station.sony.com/eq/posts/list.m?topic_id=125982

There was a long thread on eq forums about this too.

It resulted in Ranger and I think Shaman poison nukes getting linked also. 

I'm not sure what Wycca gained from this whole exercise, but it really set bst back a bit.

Grbage

I remember that whole thread, Wycca's assumptions were way off on sustained nuking for bst. When I called him on that he stated our CL said it was sustainable indefinatly.
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Hzath

I remember that thread too, it was epic.  I just don't ever recall actually seeing his final results like that.

Other than using an unrealistic "sustained" spell lineup (running any beast oom in less than 10minutes, more like 5 for most) and using outdated weaponry (Solteris weapons while using SoF AA+spells inflates our dps relative to melee) I do want to reiterate it's well done overall.

The most horrifying part about finding this is to discover that 2 years ago our warders were doing 338 sustained dps.  Wow they need an upgrade.
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Lathon

QuoteThe most horrifying part about finding this is to discover that 2 years ago our warders were doing 338 sustained dps.  Wow they need an upgrade.
Now our warders do 350 - 400 dps.. L33T warder dps upgrades are no longer needed ~~

Warders living thru an arse rape mob compared to living and actually providing decent dps is a HUGE difference ( if any devs are actually reading this).

On topic, i remeber this guys post and it was upsetting then cause he had no clue other than the fact that monks were ass hurt about BL's using H2H weaps too... so i can assume it is safe to thank him for our current situations .............

Kanan

Not totally true.. he's also the one who showed how useless Ferocity is from a dps gain standpoint.  Granted, the devs have virtually continued to ignore that, along with all the e-peen'rs who continue to love seeing that useless massive attack.
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Khauruk

Quote from: Kanan on April 23, 2010, 07:22:49 PM
Granted, the devs have virtually continued to ignore that

Not really...they know the spells are useless and have said such.  Why they still make them though is anybody's guess....
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Bumkus

Quote from: Kanan on April 23, 2010, 07:22:49 PM
Not totally true.. he's also the one who showed how useless Ferocity is from a dps gain standpoint.  Granted, the devs have virtually continued to ignore that, along with all the e-peen'rs who continue to love seeing that useless massive attack.

He showed how useless Fero was to monk DPS.  He did not run those parses as a curtesety to bst.  Any benefit to us was coincidental.

He parses let to the great spell linking nerf, which affected several classes.  I often wonder if he felt pride or regret over his actions.