The Beastlords' Den

OK we need to Do something here NO one els seams to be i just want to see whos Down for what, dont take this thr Wrong way plz. But we are falling Even more behind with No rep  So yes i think we need to find some one els that can do the job and not just Poof i know there could/are many factors  that may of played in his leave, but we need some one and we need them like yesterday!

Normally, the person asking for a replacement of leadership is the lobbying to get his/her name on the balet as the replacement. I save just T some time to get back.

I'm not saying i'm the best person to Rep us all or that i will, but reguardles hes not been online for a LONG time, the longer we wait is the less and less that Beastlrod Class prob's get worked on, i careles who is our rep so long as they are willing to put in the hours needed and aere willing to work with all of us.  it is needed to be, that is my tohughts on the matter i posted this poll to see everyone else's on the matter PLz by all means if you think some one would be good at this then put down there name fi they dont mind or Speek the hell up if your willing to di it your self.

Spc Whitney, Johnathan M.

/shrug...I went through this a couple of months ago, and got flamed for supposedly bad-mouthing Tastian (wru reading comprehension for the masses?).  I'm done /shrug.

Give him another month.

And if we need another rep, it needs to be someone with better writing skills than the original poster.

Quote from: Haggatha on March 28, 2007, 06:47:00 PM
Give him another month.

And if we need another rep, it needs to be someone with better writing skills than the original poster.

And somebody called *me* a bunny in another post!  <3 you Haggatha. rofl

Seriously though, Blarp.  Your posts are hard as hell to read.  iirc, the army had some classes for that, possibly part of NCO schooling (whatever army calls their version).  I don't know if they're offered/available from deployed locations though.  But, it'd help you out a lot if you're looking to make the army a career.

ya i fill you man, i know That is sucks, and its something i am working on, But i just saying that if we wait to much longer we will be bitching about everything other class's are getting, and how we are left behind yet again.

The sad truth is that it probably doesn't even matter whether we have a class correspondent.  It's not like Tastian didn't tell the devs what our issues were.  He did -- a lot.  I'm not saying we shouldn't have a correspondent -- we might as well have one if everyone else does.  But the lack of representation isn't the reason we're falling behind the other classes.

yes this may Be true but it Does not help right now not to have one, with TBS there is alot that could of been fixed, that was Easy but  Over looked. any ways i do understand what your saying  better to have and not need then need and not have , my thoughts.

no need to give the OP a rough time. efforts were made to contact Tastian but no response. Almost everyone liked Tast and everything hes done for us, but hes been gone a good time for reasons unkown, which is worrying itself.

The next expansion will be worked on soon so a rep needs sorting out now to have a voice in that one.

I wish Tast would be here but he just isnt.

I posted that we should wait some time to see if Tastian would return and sadly he has not. So, with no disrespect to Tastian, who would like to be CC? I dont have the knowledge that is required but I bet Bengali or Jithathab do. Either of you able to take on this monstrous burden?

Quote from: Rhoam on March 29, 2007, 09:50:49 PM
I posted that we should wait some time to see if Tastian would return and sadly he has not. So, with no disrespect to Tastian, who would like to be CC? I dont have the knowledge that is required but I bet Bengali or Jithathab do. Either of you able to take on this monstrous burden?

Sadly, I cannot.  I've been bogged down in RL since the Serpent's Spine expansion and I've barely been able to log on. :(

Before we worry about who wants to be CC, Zatozia (Kytherea's replacement on sony forums) needs to decide to replace Tastian.

I wouldnt vote for me tbh :p My available time is not enough.

There is no 'vote,' so it really doesn't matter.

Quote from: Khauruk on March 30, 2007, 03:20:54 PM
There is no 'vote,' so it really doesn't matter.  The final choice is Zatozia's.

How long has Tas been gone? Does anyone know if he/she is going to return? Or what the reason for the absence is?

The only thing I know is what i've said in the other 300 threads on this topic.

From what i have sean no one as had contact with Him,  i hae personality Emailed and Pmed him and gotten NOTHING. thus i can only say they have A moved on. or B unabule to keep it up due to RL/maybe something happened to him.

i would hate to find i out something indeed did happen to him but there is little we can do about that.

Ok  this is how it ended


8 want to wait

21 want to move on and 1 person just dont give a bunny.


i would say as a gruop we want to look for some one els, we should see whos willing and has the time to take this   Honor.  then we need to get with  right SoE rep i gues and tell them whats up and such and we would liek to repalce t with so and so.

looks like ths as a gruop is what we want to do. any othere input?

You already know where I stand on this. Given that the other correspondants are also lacking, having one doesnt seem like a priority to SOE anymore.

SoE just got a new one for the clerics...

ok well who is  some one you all would llike to see do this for us?  if any one  haves any thoughts on who would be good its time to hear it.

Whatever you do, get it off these boards, and on to the official boards.

I am new so not sure if my imput would help/hinder, but I would love to see our class represented also.
Please let me know what I can do to assist.

Tastian needs to go, he is not active and is failing at his position...

as a former CC I can tell you, he definately neesd to go.... 

Should we post over on the eq forums?  Having a class rep might help us out. 

Quote from: gorgera on April 13, 2007, 02:56:32 AM
Should we post over on the eq forums?  Having a class rep might help us out. 

Nothing, nada, zilch will get accomplished if you don't.

I've posted this on another thread but ill repost it here, Tast was a awsome cc and we can only hope for the best that maybe he found love in his life and just hasent had the time to commit to eq as it is just a game. That being said ive sent a pm to zato asking to not only find out what has happen to him but if he has fallen by the way side i would like to volenteer my self to pick up where he has left off. The last few mounths ive chatted with a few cc's and i have a prity good idea what im getting my self into and if zato desides i am fit to fill the role i'll defently try and do my best to be at least half as good as tast was.

Recoil,
Thank you for offering your services.  It's no small task and I appreciate how difficult the job is/will be. 

I would like to make a suggestion to you.  Download the Google toolbar.  In it there is a spell check that can be used on any PM, email or post you make.  You can say the most intelligent things, but if half the post is misspelled, it becomes hard to read, and your message can get lost.

I have no idea what it would take to be a class representative, and I don't have the internet connection to be able to play beta for example but I am a raiding beastlord in a Tier 2 guild, and I always try to give ideas and input on these boards when I can, so I don't know if that would be enough to offer some type of service to the beastlord community but if I can help in some way please let me know via messages on this board.

I liked Tastian from what I read on these boards, and I did see things get done for beastlords, and compromises done for beastlords even after he "disappeared". I do not know where Tastian is right now, but if he is MIA for good, then I'd like to thank him for his service for as long as he was around to give it, and hope we can find a new voice for our class.

SOE might not want to listen to our CCs, but they're gonna have to listen to the beastlord CC, because we will ROAR until they listen!

............. or at least till our voice gives out and all we can muster is a mew? hehe

SoE is not answering the request on the offiicial boards for clarification. They certainly dont read here. General CC procedure is when asked, the volunteer PM's the SoE rep, along with what boards they use and so on, so they can be checked out by SoE.
Then SoE will make a decision on who will be the CC, which could be any one of those putting name forward. Its not an election or popularity vote.
But the first step is SoE actually has to respond..

Quote from: jitathab on May 11, 2007, 01:02:49 PMBut the first step is SoE actually has to respond..

As you say it's exactly the main issue there. There a complete lack of answer to the differents posts / pm made to get a clear position about beast CC future for months now.

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   I will be reviewing the correspondent situation.  They have been helping us to collect information so we'll make sure each class gets represented.

Just need to be sure it won't take another 2 months + to see a change

Quote from: Ganellon D'Alinor on May 13, 2007, 10:40:25 AM

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   I will be reviewing the correspondent situation.  They have been helping us to collect information so we'll make sure each class gets represented.

Just need to be sure it won't take another 2 months + to see a change

That response irritated me a bit. If you read that posting several class CC's are either MIA or only spottily active. Did they not notice the lack of posting from some of the CC's? Or do they just not care enough to keep abreast of the situation but can still say we made the effort, not our fault if the CC's don't?

Imo it's just because devs are taking more care of pm (preferably from high end bst they met in beta) and read the veteran part more than the CC's comments. if they get some feedback for CC they use it, if no feedback why bother to try to get one ?

Quote from: Ganellon D'Alinor on May 14, 2007, 02:22:26 PM
Imo it's just because devs are taking more care of pm (preferably from high end bst they met in beta) and read the veteran part more than the CC's comments. if they get some feedback for CC they use it, if no feedback why bother to try to get one ?

Here is what worries me, fFrom "Missing Class Correspondents" in vet lounge on EQ forums
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Hulkling wrote:
"Since Zatozia took over from Kythera, we've started a "new system" of feedback reports.  Much has been submitted, but no reply to any of it yet.  Hopefully the upcoming patch will shed some light on whether said feedback reports did any good.  Point being, CCs are usually as non-informed as the community.  You get more "Dev time" here in the Vet's lounge than we've ever had (outside of PMs perhaps)."
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If there is a "new system" that relys on information submitted through a special CC channel, then certain classes are going unrepresented.

We know that devs spend some time on the EQ forums, but I know if I were a dev, it would be easier to work from a consolidated list than to try to collect notes myself from forum surfing.

The bright spot is that Zatoria did reply.
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Zatoria wrote:
"I will be reviewing the correspondent situation.  They have been helping us to collect information so we'll make sure each class gets represented."
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We don't yet know how each class will be represented though.

over the last month ive sent 3 pm's to zatoria with zero reply as of yet regarding a beast CC = (

We need to all keep sending PMs and hasseling whomever, dev, or other CCs or Zatoria, give them a freaking headache to make them care to want to shut us up or something lol i dunno...but defanitely am worried that so much time has passed and that they haven't noticed these things themselves.

Zat is aware of the CC situation and is looking into it. That's EQ speak for some time down the road after the next expansion is done, maybe.

I am gonna talk with the monk CC and rogue CC tonight and see if I cant have them put a bug into peoples ears that the bsts need a new CC asap, not when SoE feels like it

Speaking of beta i cant wait for it i have a list of things i want to parse and re-parse heh

yeah, most notably ferocity and rogues! None of them seem to be forthcoming with parses saying that fero matters to anyone but to them and their puny 6dps increase. I have better things to do with my mana...like summon catnip :p

Quote from: hokarz on May 16, 2007, 10:52:55 PM
yeah, most notably ferocity and rogues! None of them seem to be forthcoming with parses saying that fero matters to anyone but to them and their puny 6dps increase. I have better things to do with my mana...like summon catnip :p

Parses are ongoing.  It's going to take a few weeks though.

I didn't expect it to be overnight :)

I am curious to see if it has any effect on backstab damage. That's around 45% of a rogues dps nowadays. If fero had any major effect on backstab dps it should show pretty quickly. I was thinking about how you would be able to have a consistant count of the increase on just backstab. I can't think of any reliable way to measure it without resorting to MQ2 macros.

Quote from: hokarz on May 18, 2007, 03:15:24 AM
I am curious to see if it has any effect on backstab damage. That's around 45% of a rogues dps nowadays. If fero had any major effect on backstab dps it should show pretty quickly. I was thinking about how you would be able to have a consistant count of the increase on just backstab. I can't think of any reliable way to measure it without resorting to MQ2 macros.

MacroQuest or any other scripting tools are not needed to parse (even to parse real-time).  EQ Companion, EQWatcher, YALP, etc,... will all parse realtime.  It's based on your fight logs (/log on at the beginning of the fight).  Numbers can get skewed from proximity to other players, lag, etc,... so for the most accurate parse, you need to get the log from the player.

Yes, Ferocity has an impact on backstab damage, just as attack has an impact on all melee damage types afaik.  It's easy to see damage breakouts in YALP - it will show piercing, backstab, and blunt or slashing (depending on what's in offhand) for rogues.

But, attack-based dps gains for backstab will be mirrored for all other damage types as well.  All other classes as well. The problem is that as far as we can see to date, post "softcap," the damage increases are minimal.  Rogues just seem to be the ones with the biggest disbelief of our thoughts as to it's mana-efficiency vs. BatM/BE pet or nukes.

So, the parses ongoing are based on one rogue with max AAs, raiding solteris content, same group makeup each time this mob is killed, buffs, clickies, disc usage, etc, etc, etc,....  It's just going to take a while to get enough parses to get beyond the 'noise' ratio and see if there's enough impact to warrant further extensive parses.

Quote from: Swampfunk on April 12, 2007, 02:45:03 PM
Tastian needs to go, he is not active and is failing at his position...

as a former CC I can tell you, he definately neesd to go.... 

Is there any board you don't troll? lol

On the note of a CC, based on my limited experience in my 54 seasons of being a Beastlord, I would say yes, there are issues that need attention and someone to bring it to the attention of the devs.

Just my 2cp.

Actually I find Swamps posting on these boards and on eq board in bst is normally on the helpful side.

I would have to agree some of the biggest advocates ( IE helpful people ) seem to be non-bsts atm.  Not saying that we as a whole dont agree on certain things, because that wouldnt be true.   We need to start making lists, dont rant on how something sucks, post on ways we can fix the issues we have at hand , and what we want for the future expansions to come, may it be big of the smallest of things its all important

Alot of us older beasts have given up on the developers listening to our problems.  its pretty disappointing when you have pretty much all of the beastlords in BETA sitting around explaining something to Prat or another developer, and them basically ignoring everything you said.

lol I know how you feel disco I have had the same issues many times actually, I've been playing beastlords since luclin came out :-(

when I first started playing beastlord I hugged these forums like I was in love, but now I rarely even visit here =/. I've also pretty much given up hoping we get a quick fix,

I think were gonna get what we want eventually, but i'm not gonna hold my breathe for it.

Quote from: Discordant on May 29, 2007, 04:12:03 PM
Alot of us older beasts have given up on the developers listening to our problems.  its pretty disappointing when you have pretty much all of the beastlords in BETA sitting around explaining something to Prat or another developer, and them basically ignoring everything you said.

OMG the struggle in TBS beta just to get him to realise he hadnt even put all our spells in and the one that was in didn't work. To then find discussions on beastlord spells on the mage thread and not on the beastlord thread was just disheartening.

Quote from: Sikkem on May 31, 2007, 11:47:19 AM

Quote from: Discordant on May 29, 2007, 04:12:03 PM
Alot of us older beasts have given up on the developers listening to our problems.  its pretty disappointing when you have pretty much all of the beastlords in BETA sitting around explaining something to Prat or another developer, and them basically ignoring everything you said.

OMG the struggle in TBS beta just to get him to realise he hadnt even put all our spells in and the one that was in didn't work. To then find discussions on beastlord spells on the mage thread and not on the beastlord thread was just disheartening.

To his credit though.....half the time the forum threads were bugging out and the fact there is usually discussion of other class abilties in other forum sections isn't unheard off.

removed the post as its mostly frustration and achieves nothing  :roll:

welcome to EQ, with Soe

we definatly do need to pursue a new CC as much as i <3 tastian.