BF fixed on live servers...

[Tastian]

Just way too many fraggin threads on the various boards dealing with this issue and even in threads it has been answered in some are still asking lol.  The BF fix was on test and with the aug 11th patch it got pushed to live.  From my initial parsings I don't notice it back at a nerfed rate or worse than it was before it got bugged.  If anyone has data otherwise I welcome it as always and will continue to run some more tests as I have the time.  For now though yes BF is fixed on test.

[Coprolith]

Confirmed.

Did a quick parse against the Katta Banker:

MH: 2960 swings total, 384 DA's ==> da rate = (14.9+/-1.4)%
OH: 3934 swings total, 518 DA's ==> da rate = (15.2+/-1.2)%

OH is fixed and %'s are exactly what you'd expect with BF5.

/hugs

[Katsandra]

I didn't parse but I did notice a distinct upkick in damage last night .  I normally run upper sixties and from the ten mins (not long enough to judge for sure) that I wrote down dps (eq watcher) I was in the seventies to eighties.

[Ragnarson]

Same here. I didn't think I would ever stop swining on the PoEarth trash mobs last night. Dps was awesome

[Tastian]

Yeah cop that's just about what I got.  Although it's fixed please people don't think you are all going to see a 10-20 dps boost hehe.  8P

[Giledorm]

Now does that mean that Ambidexterity was fixed too, or just BF?

[Rhaynne]

Now does that mean that Ambidexterity was fixed too, or just BF?

Amidex wasn't broken...

[Zentrel]

MH: 2960 swings total, 384 DA's ==> da rate = (14.9+/-1.4)%
OH: 3934 swings total, 518 DA's ==> da rate = (15.2+/-1.2)%

Just curious Cop.  What weapons were you using and in which hand to make yer offhand take more swings than your main hand by a good ~1k more?  or is it just the RNG?

[Giledorm]

Hmmmmm... was referencing this thread, but I must have not read the whole thing... my bad...   :oops:

[Coprolith]

Just curious Cop. What weapons were you using and in which hand to make yer offhand take more swings than your main hand by a good ~1k more?

MH was a DOoFM (30 base delay) vs a VIC (20 base delay) in OH, so getting a lot more OH attack rounds is perfectly normal.
The dualwield rate can be calculated from

dw_rate = (#_OH_rounds-1)*OH_delay / (#_MH_rounds-1)*MH_delay ,

which calculates to a dw_rate of (3934-518-1)*20 / (2960-384-1)*30 = 88.4%.

/hugs

[Kitvear]

So, a rumor I've heard from a monk a long time back saying that delay of the offhand weapon is false then?  It's my understanding now that if I stop using my WLK and put something in with a better delay I would get more attacks, is that correct?

[Tastian]

The OH is its own hand.  The only differance is once the OH delay is up it makes a DW check to see if it swings.  The delay of your OH does make a differance and isn't tied at all to the primary hand like has been rumored for years hehe.

[Coprolith]

I don't what rumor you heard but im taking a wild stab at it and guess he told you that can only fire off the OH weapon when the MH fires, making the OH 'dependent' of the MH delay?
Old myth, and one that isn't true (as usual). The OH fires completely independent from the MH, and afaik always that has always been the case (at the very least ever since i played my dw'ing character, so at least 3 years).

/hugs

[Zentrel]

ok cop,  thats what i was wondering.  i figured you had a weapon mainhand w/ a higher delay than OH.  just wanted to confirm thats what it was.


thanks.

[Kitvear]

I don't what rumor you heard but im taking a wild stab at it and guess he told you that can only fire off the OH weapon when the MH fires, making the OH 'dependent' of the MH delay?

A monk in a exp group, (this had to be at least a year ago), asked me to link my weapons, at the time I had my fist of pummeling prowess 14/19 in my offhand and my WLK 16/22 in my mainhand, thinking since it had better damage I would be doing more damage with it.  The monk told me about damage bounuses and attacks per round and that the offhand would swing only if your "offhand check" had passed.  His theory was that it didn't matter if I had a 19 delay or a 40 delay weapon you would still get the same number of offhand attack per round.  I took him at his word and swapped out my main and offhand and pretty much left it at that, never really giving it much thought until I caught this thread.


Thanks for clearing that up, now that has me questioning something else I've not really thought about before in great detail but I will make a seperate post about that.