So like the title said...
This is the last obstacle my group has before getting Anguish flagged. We've been trying for a week now to get the event down. Been averaging at between 40-50 raiders per night. I think the most dragorns we have been able to kill is four.
I've made sure all are familiar with the event. I've posted how to make audio triggers for my people. I'll admit here...I am a at a loss.
Is there some secret method to winning this fight that I don't know, or something I haven't considered? Our basic strat is "beat the tar out of them while avoiding the emotes". Been dpsing hard at the beginning while melee don't have to deal with too many emotes.
Any ideas?
This raid makes me :cry:
This trial is somethin peeps just gotta get used to tbh.. Only suggestion is to have EVERYONE remove both their rings.. One less emotes. I always thought stayin alive was way more important than dps'n the mobs. When peeps die the ones that live get more emotes. Good Luck
Concentration is no 1 key here.
Also - you can manipulate the AE area, so you can reduce this event to move the same way around each and every time, moving in a designated pattern helps avoid the AE's as all move together at the same time.
As you enter room number the mobs clockwise from first on left 1-6
Start on Mob 6 and full dps, move to mob 1 full dps, move center range on 3, then move and dps 3, then move and dps 6.
Repeat till 6 1 3 dies then it becomes 5 2 4
Always move in sequence, even if you got nothing in mellee range.
This is from memory but is about right :)
Hmm...I'll give that a shot. Maybe moving dps around like that will help. Thanks for the suggestion.
QuoteOnly suggestion is to have EVERYONE remove both their rings
I respectfully disagree with this strategy. The remove rings emote is a personal emote, as opposed to a zone wide emote. Example of a zone wide emote is "move to the center platform". Personal emotes are things like "duck", or "your rings begin to constrict", or to "stand still". Because of zone wide emotes going off at the same time as personal emotes, some are easier to do at the same time than others. If you remove all your rings, you won't get that emote. Sounds good at first right? Except now you have raised your chances of a stand still or move move move emote the same time you get a move to the west side zone emote. That's kinda tough to do. However, if you got a remove ring emote, and a move to the west emote, that's fairly easy to do at the same time. What we did was only remove 1 ring. That way you could still get that emote. At the same time, put that ring on a hot bar for easy click removal. The ring only has to be on your cursor, not in your bag, so picking up a ring off a hot bar while you have to move is rather simple.
Another thing we did was load some of our more higher hit point toons all in groups together. For the first 3 mobs, we had those few groups ignore all room emotes and just eat the penalty while doing as much damage as possible. This whole trial is not an endurance trial, it's a race against time trial. Some are going to die. When they do, the number of emotes those who are alive get increase. The goal we focused on is getting through as quick as possible to reduce the effects of multiple emotes at one time. Having clerics and paladins and anyone else with a group heal focus on those groups worked nicely. After the first few, then everyone starts concentrating on following all emotes. You'll lose a few no matter. The hope is, that the gains of those groups dpsing through the first few before the frequency of emotes gets too crazy, will outweigh the few you lose early. Obviously this strategy is gear dependant. If only a few toons are well geared, then it's going to be tougher. However if you can field 3 or 4 well geared groups, they should survive those first few mobs, and be no worse for the wear.
Everyone should have a chat window with only "OTHER" filtered to it.
Everyone should have audio triggers, although it's not necessary, it sure helps a lot.
It's most definitely a burn event. Use up all the offensive abilities fairly early (discs, HT's, clickies, zerg pets, whatever). Make sure every group has someone with group heal spells if possible. Use your mgb heals/paragons as things start getting rough. Also make sure everyone has some heal potions to use as required. That includes healers.
We found we deliver more dps if most melee ignore the room AE's almost completely. Range dps has more leeway in position, but they can ignore them too at their discretion. The point is that with good resists (and level 75 with infusion gives anyone good resists nowdays) the room AE's are often resisted, while the kyv shots are not resistable. Obey the kyv emotes! Having a seperate Other window is more valuable than audio triggers to me, especially when you have more than one to follow.
Also remember to use your dotters efficiently....a good shaman or necro can get a their big dots running on multiple mobs at once.
We have been stuck on this trial as our last to enter anguish for about 3 months now. While we feel we have the strats down for beating the AE...the personal emotes and our DPS is kinda lacking. We are also asked to remove rings ahead of time. Basically because it is one more personal emote to not have to bother with. Which IMO the less the better because this trail has alot to do with keeping yourself alive. Now as far as the AE we have found it ALOT easier to just pop your Infusion of the Faithfull just before engage. That way you will resist the AE 99% of the time ....I don't wanna say 100% just because its been about 2 months since I did the raid due to the fact we are recently Tacvi flagged and have put anguish on the back burner while we attempt to take down Tunat, and not to mention we are hurting for tanks in a bad way. ...
..short version....Infusion of the Faithfull to resist the AE and keep the DPS going.
What we finally did to start winning was remove rings, pop infusion, ignore the room emotes, follow the kyv emotes.
Also, if you don't have approx 50 awake raiders for the first few wins, don't even bother. The number of personal emotes is fixed no matter how many people are in the zone. I believe once you drop below 40 in the zone, people are guaranteed to get double emotes.
If for nowhere else, build some DPS groups for this trial: Pally, shammy, and melee dps x 4. Make sure the healers are assist healing the tanks. The tanks are going to be following emotes too, so tank switches will be often. Make sure the melee don't stand there and let a dragorn kill them. They don't summon, so they can back up if they get aggro.
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first group is for hatchet, try the 2nd group for Foresight(simon says), they are pretty clean sound very good, hope these guys can do alot more of these audio triggers cus I love them.
and yes remove your rings, there's WAY to many different emotes, and reducing the emotes you gotta look for or listen to is a big help.
even though rings are a personal emote not a zonewide emote it doesnt matter, just cut down on the emotes you have to listen to
and anyone who's got junk in primary or doesnt need it to beat mobs down, remove your primary too
you can take some really heavy damage by ignoring/missing ring emotes and primary emotes.
those audio triggers I linked are sweet, since I started using them i've done foresight a few times and havent died a single time since.
Basically the my guild removed all the rings, and had casters remove their weapons unless they setup the bandolier to drop their weaposn when they got the emote. Set an chat window just for the emotes, which is covered under "other" in the filters. We ignored all the room emotes, but the call for center.
All emotes of course audio triggered. Melees of course setup bandolier for weapon heating as well.
With the dragorns. We hade melee and all casters, but necro and shaman, start on number one. We had necro and shaman DoT the 6th one and work the other way around.
Other then that it is paying attention. Groups heals are also important.
Remove rings. Casters remove primary. Melee make two bandoliers, one without primary and one with primary.
When you have to move due to an emote damage the mob that is nearest to you if the MA target is out of range.
Have casters dot up a mob that the MA is not on.
Actually provide audio triggers with sample patterns. The audio triggers are a huge help, but some people will not make them. One of my gulid members went so far as to make an application to install audio triggers for events.
This audio trigger set (http://www.eqinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?s=&id=4692) doesn't have an install, but does have sample patterns.
QuoteRemove rings. Casters remove primary.
Still makes no sense to me. By doing that you have increased the chances of getting a dps lowering emote, such as duck. Casters can't cast if they are ducked. Melee can't melee if they are ducked. Neither can dps if they are forced to move. However, both can continue to dps with either a ring or a primary weapon on their cursor. Hard to move west if you are forced to stand still. Easy to move west with a weapon on your cursor. And can continue to DPS throughout. Just because you don't have any rings on, doesn't mean you get skipped over when it becomes your time to get an emote. It just means you'll potentially get a tougher one to obey. Always obey personal emotes over room emotes too btw. Much harsher penalty for not standing still than for not moving to the center. Moving to the center doesn't mean you have to be on top of it either btw. Melee just have to back up with their backs to the center platform.
Remember,
QuoteIt's most definitely a burn event.
Yes, but its easier and quicker to respond to duck and stand than taking your rings off and putting them back on.
Casters always have a single key set up to duck. They can duck and unduck much faster than clicking an item and moving it around.
My posted strat moves the entire raid around not just the dps in a triangle. It just stops people having to think, and raid leader only needs three hotkeys.
with dot loading on the same mobs, the first three die quickly, you also have a good time to destroy the first mob before first remote emote.
Well, we finally managed to win last night. Only 16 survivors, but I am sure it will increase from there. Thanks very much for your help guys. I am sooo glad to finally hit Anguish. Now I can strategize over the break on where to start in there :-D
grats
Grats...We also became Anguish flagged Tuesday night. I guess alot of people didn't expect it because there is ALOT of signet farming taking place atm. IO fel we have dome fairly well becomming Tacvi and Anguish flagged within a 2 week period.
My guild only had 11 survivors on its first Foresight win. Most guilds have to kill Foresight at least twice to take care of flagging the bulk of the guild. After that, it's much like Time -- you can back-flag a handful of gimps with every Anguish raid. After a while the gimp seals start to rot.
In the meantime, those of you who are flagged now can go hunting for augs off the mini's with as little as a single strong group.
/chuckle.. how we got it, can't happen anymore.
We kept slowly losing peeps and a coupla monks survived inside. At this time, if the people inside got low enough, the kyv emotes would cease, or the center would stay a safe spot. So the monks just kept timing the AEs well enough to run out, Dragon Fang the remaining one, and run back before the AE went off.
We rezzed/zoned back in and collected our pieces.
Now it won't work like this anymore, since they've put a minimum person or lose limit on it. ;p
We tried this the other night.
I can assure you the emotes don't lessen as players die, they increase.
We only got about halfway through it on our first try. I was one of the last ones standing, I never did die thanks to some decently high hp, reflexes, a small amount of spell shield, audio triggers, and good healers. The kyv emotes do not stop the lower they go.. Right before we lost(4 people were alive in trial i know of at least.. and I had never died throughtout the trial, nether had the paladin in my group I believe.), I was getting about 4 kyv emotes at a time, luckily sometimes they were duck duck stand still, and not more like... stand still, stand still, move, move.
It ends when you have about a group left in it it seems.
Emotes get stacked more and more the survivors(personal emotes) as people die.
/chuckle.. aye.. they changed it not long after we did it. Thank god we had more than plenty to not have to do that damn trial again ;p
Congrats Phumog!
I know all our raiders are pretty excited about Anguish. We have a lot of signet farming going on also, hehe. Thankfully I already have that done, so I can spend the holidays moving slowly towards 75.
Farm augs. Exp is decent and augs rock.
audio triggers work super well for Ture encounter in anguish, as long as you have speakers and want to be lazy audio triggers are a good way to take a huge burden off your shoulders. I use them whenever I can, specially for buff fading=P gogo Ferocity rotation on 4-6 peeps no problem
/chuckle.. i stopped casting higher versions of fero, cuz they cost too much frickin mana, my better bene pres foci work on em & it lets the melee be happy about having fero on, since I've yet to be asked for upgraded fero specifically by anyone yet.
We had troubles with this one at first, but not as much as with Endurance :-D
1. TAKE rings off
2. Casters take primary off
3. make a bandolier hotkey to remove weapons and one for equip.
4. Get Fire resists UP
5. Make a new "chatbox" - Fliter OTHERS to here. ( if you don't use Audio triggers)
All emotes will go here - from the explosions to the Kyv messages.
6. It's timed. The faster it's done the few emotes. First time we beat this I had anywhere from 6-9 Kyv emotes ( I died from gettting 3 all at once.. kinda hard to /duck - stand still and /move all at the same time *chuckle* When we did it last night I got 2 Kyv emotes the whole fight.
6. Keep people alive - group heals from pally's are very useful ever our lil sad heals can help.
7. Have a fully buffed pet suspended if you can, just in case.
8. Load Annul Magic for then the Dragorns *sprout spikes* ( Yes I know that clerics have better DS debuffers, but clerics are usually more busy healing).
Every mob gets a "dotter" and the main raid takes 1 dragorn down at a time. IGNORE the explosion/AE but pay GOOD attention to the Kyv messages. The more people die.. the more Kyv messages the live raiders get.
When you get the emote to duck -STAY ducked till you get the CLEAR message that the Kyv missed you - same with stand still message. When you get a "You better move message" - do a lap around the center, usually by the time you get back to the main raid-force you have been cleared and you can get back in the fight.
BRING HoT- Potions. ( Heal-over-time)
If I got a *A Kyv is aiming at your head, you better move* emote I would leave pet on what ever target the raid was on and do a lap. Never thought warders would be possible targets, however I discovered last night that she ( my warder) died from a headhot :(
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