This will hopefully be a very simple and smooth going thread. All I need are troll beastlords to post how they feel about their new warder graphics so I can get some idea of where people stand on it. A simple ye or nay will likely suffice, but if you want to say more go for it. 8) Please also tell others to drop a little post in this thread if they want or PM me or e-mail me. I'll leave this here for a few days as more and more play around with the new warders. No guarantees on what will happen, but would like to consolidate the multiple threads we've got going on these boards atm.
Adding screenshot of the new warder: http://www.geocities.com/shadowblade3000/newgator.JPG
Nay.
Thankfully it sounds like it is temporary. I loved my alligator, and miss it to death now. I really want it back, as the new warder sorta turns me off from playing my BL. ;_;
I hope they fix the graphics issue asap with the old model alligator and give it back to us.
I'll have to go with Yay for now.
The new graphic isn't that bad and I have to be glad it isn't something worse. (though I would be happy with the basilisk from poearth look more)
Whenever they change it back, the old gator model is fine. (poearth basilisk preferable though!) :-)
Nay, Bring back Gator plz
Zruk
I'm a 70 Vah Shir Beastlord....with a 61 Troll Beastlord alt named Stieve Uhrwen...I need my croc back (he wasn't a gator.) ;)
On a side note, if it weren't for my name, I'd like the new warder. /shrug
Really hope it stays as it is now, was extraordinarily p.o'd when they gave us the first gheko look then took it back, so really hope this doesn't happen again.
More Ye than anything, I found the mini-gator super annoying !
Having said that, of course it would be good if they gave us a properly sized croc (PoN croc comes to mind), but maybe the croc models are just too long (nose to tail) to make decently sized warders. IF they stick with the basilisk (which I would not mind at all) they should populate Innothule Swamp with them too.
If they gave us back the old mini-gator. I would be pi$$ed off to say the least !
Nay. I rolled a troll for the gator/gecko, and I want my old pet back! This kind of change, out of the blue, is jarring, making it all the more bitter. I can understand that the old models needed to be changed, but the lack of communication makes me upset.
For now, I have accepted that Binky is just very, very sick. I will give him the love and support he needs during these troubled times. With Innoruuk's blessing, we can both channel our anger into more effectively turning other things into tiny little squishy bits. But we both want his old body back. :cry:
"Unfortunately this is not a bug, the troll warder was changed to fix some graphic issues. We are looking onto a way to fix it so the trolls can have their alligator warder back but likely any graphic issues would still be a problem."
"The troll warder was changed due to graphics issues with the gator. We are looking to see how it can be fixed so trolls can get the gator back, but as of right now returning the gator will also return the problems."
For those wanting the Basilisk, it is temporary from the sound of above, and we will get our gators back from the sound of it. Until then I can't play my BL because I am that turned off from the basilisk warder. >.<
Nay. I created this toon in part because of the gator warder. If they need to change it because of "bugs" then at least keep it in the same species. I dont like having my pet changed on me. I still think making it a balsilisk (sp) is like tiger warders being changed to hyenas, because after all.. they are both mammals. Pls change it back to a gator.
Brumbkab the troll
Nay to the new model. I would love if they update the warder model, as long as it's still a croc. I don't think it's fair that they changed it to a completely different species.
Definate ye from me.
Love the new action he takes. It really brings him to life, instead of sitting there snapping his trap like my wife, he actually moves, and attacks. Watching him swim is really neat too.
Yay I guess, the little guy has grown on me. I like the dust trails he leaves behind when zooming around.
Perhaps....they could allow an option to summon one or the other by adding another spell or heaven forbid just give us as spell, even a quest would do. Same pet just a different model. Then also make this an option for all beastlords and even necros since I know some have been wanting a different pet graphic as well.
Just adding the Beastial Alignment still transforms you into a gator.
The one thing i noticed (as a beast that actually enjoys Beastial Alignment) the beastial alignment still uses the old gator form, so my pet actually makes me look weak!
Still voting that I like the new look.
Nay
Have to say the new warder is cool looking and if I had started with him it would be a different story. As it is, I miss the gecko. Oh yeah, SOE may say it is temporary but short term/temp to SOE means sometime within the next couple of years.
Just curious, when did this graphical bug show up? Heard nothing about it and did not personally see any issue.
Troll warders had issues for awhile. The reason they were originally shrunk had to do with geometry issues as well.
I knew about the old graphic problem that caused them to be shrunk. Just had not heard of anything recently.
gotta say nay as well. I picked my troll cause I wanted a gator to follow me around.
trixbro gatoraide
http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=1181732
Yay! I very much like the new warder graphic. Lots more detail...and my barbarian beastlord friend is soooo jealous! :-D
I'd like to add more to my opinion and go into a little more detail. You must understand before reading that I really loved my alligator warder, so I mean no offense to those that like the basilisk model.
I, like many other Troll Beastlords, created our character solely for the Alligator. I personally love the old alligator model. It looked cool to me, and I loved how they grinned when they walked. I even gave it a name and was very attached to it.
Logging on without being told in the patch message about the change was fusterating and saddening. Instead of seeing my cute, loveable alligator, I got this ugly 6 legged lizard. I was extremely heartborken and angry, until I read that it was "temporary," at least I hope it would be temporary once they fixed the issue.
If it was a new alligator model, it would be a different story. But our current warders are a different species other than alligator, and basilisks make NO sense to me whatsoever to be a warder for Troll Beastlords. They do not live in swamps and do not seem "animal-like" to me, mostly because they are a mythical creature and I tend to classify mythical creatures and real animals differently. They bear little, if any, resemblance to alligators that we had. Alligators very much fit Trolls because they were swamp animals where the Troll newbie zone was.
Given how attached I was to our old warder, I tried playing my Troll BL, and was ultimatly turned off because of the warder. Gone were the growls and grunts I loved to hear as my gator as he happily bit the mobs while grinning. They were replaced with loud hisses when my new warder casted a proc spell, along with a long stare at the mob. I really am turned off from playing my Troll Beastlord now because I loved my warder that much. I really can't stand looking at the new warder now because I think it looks hideous.
Everyday I am going to /feedback everyday my opinions and hope that somehow we get our alligators back. Given that it was a graphics issue, the point of doing it would be to at least let them know that we miss our alligators a lot. I'm sorry if anyone likes the new model, but maybe they could give us the option of choosing between the 2 warders. If that is possible. In any case, my BL is going to be on a break for now until he gets his alligator back. Be it the old model or a new "alligator" model. I'll take either. I just want an alligator as my warder instead of a 6 legged Basilisk. I miss our alligator a lot, and hope everyday that they will give it back.
Move this if you need to, but here is a quick question for those who voted nay.
If you were creating a new bst today, would you pick troll, or a different class?
I would of been iksar. I debated a long time between iksar and troll.. the gator won me over.
Brumbkab the troll
P.S. I feel the same as you shadow, I play with the sound down and my warder shrunk as small as he will go so I dont have to look at him.
Does this mean other races might get an upgrade to their pet graphic? Although id prefer to keep it a kitty, not randomly switch to a mushroom man pet or something lol
The troll warders have had issues for awhile. They were original perma shrunk basically because of some geometry issues. They changed it in part to address some of these issues. Iksars currently have a bug where their pet freezes whenever they proc and the pet stops moving. It's a real PITA when dealing with runners, kiting or trying to pvp.
They aren't doing new warder graphics atm or changes all warders, but rather just addressing issues atm. They've said the troll warder might go back to how it was, and they are still working on the iksar bug so I'm not sure what will happen there. Will update as I know more.
Well I hope they fix the problem. I personally loved the old alligator model so I just want that back. I hope they know that a lot of Troll BL's are distraught over our temporary warder.
I appreciate the info Tast. Again, I look forward to, and also hope at the same time, getting my old warder back.
Quote from: Skratz on September 16, 2005, 04:24:52 PM
Move this if you need to, but here is a quick question for those who voted nay.
If you were creating a new bst today, would you pick troll, or a different class?
I think I would have not have picked troll. The troll and basilisk just don't seem to go together to me. I probably would have picked Iksar.
If the Troll started with a Basilisk, I would've probably gone Iksar as well since they are my 2nd favorite race, and the scaled wolf is cute. I agree with the basilisk not fitting the troll, and it is hideous.
Quote from: Skratz on September 16, 2005, 04:24:52 PM
If you were creating a new bst today, would you pick troll, or a different class?
If I were to start a new beastlord, iksar would be a very tempting choice. In fact, I did recently start an iksar as an alt on another server. The Gecko of Doom wasn't the only factor in me choosing a troll, but it definitely contributed. Moreover, I'm attached to Binky, and I want him back, just the way he was.
It seems to me that beastlords are somewhat unique in this respect. Necros and mages are the other major pet classes, but their pets are summoned. Shadowknight pets are just like necro pets, and the shaman pets are summoned spirits as well. The beastlord's pet is not summoned, per se, but it is supposed to be our constant buddy. More than any other class, beastlords have a reason to be attached to their pets. I doubt these emotional issues would even come up if, say, the necro spectre pet or one of the mage elementals had similar issues and needed a drastic graphical change.
Let me turn the question around. If you are a troll who likes the new warders, would you be just as happy with a gator model that looks just as good? I suspect the "shiny newness" and better graphics help make the new warders more appealing. I would bet that, if SOE spends the resources to make a nifty looking gator model, we would win you basilisk converts right back. :wink:
Let's get this fixed then. First of all: Does anybody know exactly why our warders where shrunk in the first place? Was it because players got stuck in dungeon entrances when there was a troll BL sitting there with his warder?
In that case the solution would be almost easy: Make it so that only the body of the warder (but not the head or tail) can collide with players, the head and the tail should be marked "no collision" so to speak.
RP wise Gator/Crocodile is the only way to go for Trolls. I am currently happy with the Basilisk because: 1. It is a little bigger than the shrunken gator. 2. It looks cool and 3. It has those neat fx (lashing tongue, footstep-dustcoulds etc.). Of course having a reasonably sized gator would be even better.
Back when they shrank our warders I was heartbroken and had problems keeping up playing Gorz. My solution was to shrink myself twice and that got me over the hump so to speak. However to me this whole warder problem is a HUGE issue. We need that fixed ASAP: Since we do not know what the exact problem was however, it is only possible to throw random thoughts about.
One idea would be the partial collision/partial noncollision of the Gators. Another would be to give Beastlords who level past 60 the PoN Gator model (which hopefully works better than the old model)... I think THAT would rock. Ogres could get the PoStorms Bear at 60, Iksar and Barbs could get respective higher level pet models (never saw a different Scaled Wolf or Wolf so I can't say). Speaking of Iksar: Maybe they could populate the Field of Bone with little Tureptas and give them Turepta warders OR even cooler: Replace the scaled wolf with Scorpions ! How cool would that be?
Maybe we could toss some ideas together here?
Yay, I really like not having a gecko looking thing. Since this is temporary though.......Either fix the size of the original warder or give us something different. It can still be a croc of some sort but one that looks better and is not so microscopic.
Nay to the new Warder, I want my gator back. :) The old gator model has it's problems but it's rarity in the huge world of Norrath is one of it's strong points. The basilisk model is already way too common for my taste. And I simply do not like the 6-legs thingy.
Big fat Yea for me. I think the old gator is small and gay.
I must have about 8-10 tells already from people "lovin" the new pet.
I'm neutral personally, and not a troll anyway.
An iksar guildie of mine loves the new troll warder...he thinks it looks better than his own pet.
The troll guildie doesn't seem to have a strong opinion. He's not complaining in any case.
just from looking over the thread. Main thing people seem to like is a new graphic. Not a troll, but I'd be annoyed over my crocagator turning into a basilisk. Chop 2 of the legs off, lenghten the beak, u got a good model. /turns on hope for appropriate new models for rest of us.
laff owt l0ud..
shoulda made a kitty :-D
i think sony tried...good job ???
later
Tay
Was it something in the expansion that caused all these problems? I find it odd how something in the expansion would cause graphical problems to only our pet. I assume these graphic issues were the cause of changing the alligator shroud in beta to the basilisk shroud also, even if beatial frezny turns us into alligators still, but I am confused still why this doesn't affect NPC alligators in zones like Oasis of Marr.
I'm sure theres some explanation but I'm feeling really sad and empty when I play my Troll BL now. x_x;
I've said this several times already. The troll warder graphic has had problems for a very long time. This was an exisiting problem that had already been addressed via the shrinking in part in the past. They now changed it further address it and the change to shroud was likely to avoid the issue even further and for other players that might now take the shroud.
There is a chance they'll revert the graphic back for troll warders, but if so the warder will have certain issues that the new model simply doesn't unless they are able to suddenly fix this issue before changing the graphics back.
Nay, new model is fine, but please make it look like a gator
I don't know what that thing is following me around, but it is not my beloved Boeregard.
(http://www.wowway.com/~sdeaver/lostboe.jpg)
Hah, I love that missing picture. I was thinking of doing one for my warder before I saw yours myself. =D
I love that missing poster Bumek.
Brumbkab the troll missing his gator still
I like the new image....
I neglected to mention that I will be serving basilisk steaks upon Boe's safe return.
All I have to say is "Gators" suck in more ways than one.
Go 'Noles!
:-D
Has there been any word on our alligator warders? It's been several days and it's been very fusterating since I can't play my Beastlord and not seeing them say anything about it is even more fusterating.
Well, if memory serves me right they perma shrunk the gecko o doom about 2yrs ago now before introducing the "fix" of a basilik. So going on that track record, don't hold your breath.
It's been a month since my gator went through the "change". Any update on when/if we'll get our gators back?
My opinion is that you never will. Too many of you like the new models...and I've seen a lot of non-trolls that are insanely jealous of your new pet as well.
The new model is cool and all.. but boy does it not fit the lore tremendously. You got a lotta traveling to do to find a basilisk near grobb. (Well, same for Shar Vahl, but we're cats for god's sake ;p)
Chop the middle 2 legs out.. lengthen the beak.. then u've got a decent model.
As you may be able to tell from my name this new warder doesn't quite fit my swamp look anymore, however, I must say I do like this model quite a bit and unless SoE is going to give us a warder that looks like the PoEarth crocks I want to keep this one :-D . I love how it looks swimming with those six legs or how its head bobs and weaves when i cast fero on it.
Bayoubob Pappertank
lv70 BST
Meatheadd Sausagemaker
lv 69 SK
I want the old one back IF they make it bigger..the only reason i like the new one is because hes bigger than my ol lil gator
I really hate the new troll warder model, the baby gator was much better.
I want my gator back! And I want him to be larger than before like the caimens in Oasis. Everyone else has a normal size pet. The current one sucks.....what is it again?
Okay, newly registered, Troll Beastlord on Xegony. I initially tried every playable BL race on a variety of servers and looked at the warder and how it looked with the player race. I settled on the Troll because IMO the combination looked right together, fit well in the game, and the warder itself was well rendered. I took a brief break from the game prior to the release of DODH and came back just before Christmas in 2005. Needless to say I was distressed over the change. I don't really even look at my warder now because its not my warder! Its a pile of SOE replacement pixels that have no place in the game as a Troll BL pet.
I initially rationalized the change knowing that a) SOE doesnt fix everything that is broken right away, and accepted their claim of "We have some difficulties to overcome graphics problems with the older model" at face value and in good faith.
The latest patch message now shows me that SOE has never intended to fix this problem, and will not do so without class (not race) pressure.
From the Feb 21st patch:
"*** General Bug Fixes***
- Players will no longer see their breath in first person while on a boar mount.
- Froglok jump animation will now play at normal speed"
These two trivial items that do not impact the playability of the game in anyway were addressed before the Troll warder! That says quite a bit between the lines.
I hope that the bold words cited in another forum at this site are true - "We are still a community"...
Trolls really do need your help to correct this (now) ridiculous situation. Imagine Vah Shir, if you were a victim of this problem (for a while, your warders were oversize - but you sure didnt get one of those Shadeweaver beetle models as a replacement). Imagine brothers, a world of Ogres with froglok tads, Barbarians with snow spiders, Iksar with the Field of Bone spiders. Some might argue that they would like the changes, but I doubt that would make it right for the majority.
Please help the Trolls, as a class, restore their birthright and their warder pride!
Thank you
Snarle
Agree with above!
Give me back Gator! I don't like Thing! WTH is it anyway?
Old troll warder back, please.
i play an iksar myself and cant wait for the day they fix the freezing (hopefully with veksar/chardokB chokadai graphics). but i do agree with the majority here, there were already newer better gator models available (pop crocs) so why change it to something completely unrelated and non-sensical? i think i agree with whoever it was that said this is like iksar waking up with shiliskin warders, or vah shir with drachnids, or ogres with witherans, etc.
I'm SO HAPPY I just found this thread!
Except for the implication that since it's 8 months old, it's likely we trolls will be stuck with that stupid basilisk forever. :x
Size is DEFINITELY the issue. It's a status symbol. You work your butt off to get up in levels - you get all those spells, you bother mages for the items - and the result is a wonderful pet that inspires jealousy in every other class! But if you're a troll, you don't get to flaunt it. Sometimes people won't see your tiny pet and think you're an overweight monk. It's so unfair.
I don't hate the basilisk. The aligator was far, far better. You're a troll - you grew up in a swamp. What's a basilisk? Can you SPELL "basilisk" ? Why, oh why, do you have one following you? Where'd it come from?
I want my gator. I want it to be big and wonderful. I am so tired of seeing those giant wolves and bears and knowing that my pet is every bit as good as theirs - but no one knows it but me.
The warder's appearance is the greatest status symbol we get in EQ. Let us be proud.
Firiona.Goom
(fennin.faza)
I've decided to cancel my account until they give us our alligators/crocodiles back. I can no longer enjoy playing the game with that god awful Basilisk in place of what was the reason of creating my character to begin with. It won't matter if they give us a new or old model of an Alligator/Crocodile, just as long as its just a plain ole alligator/crocodile. I'll still try to be vocal about it but it may seem like not much will ever be done about it. >_<
I'm extremely upset that this still hasn't been fixed. I loved my croccy, Mr Fishbreath. Chose troll just for him. Since the change to the ugly 6-legged lizard thing, I've tried Vah Shir bst and Barb bst...doesn't work for me. Now my main is a troll SK because of this.
Gimme Mr Fishbreath back! :(
I have /feedbacked this like 3 times *sigh*
Couple of reasons why i'm upset with new warders.
1) I don't know how many times iv'e seen the model in the dodh/por expansion. Im sick of it. Our old warders were quite an uncommon sight, and I enjoyed that.
2) It's anatomically incorrect. It has 6 legs and a very blunt/short mouth. Alligators/Crocodiles have 4 legs, and long narrow mouth.
3) It's the main reason I picked the troll. Every other class's pet was just, so common, you never saw any crocodile/alligator warders. I got a lot of positive comments about how cool it looked. Now I get "What the bloody hell did they do to your warder?"
4) It makes this weird pathing thing, where it gets into a spot, and just goes back and forth for a while. Our old warder never did that.
Boy would I appreciate having our old warder back :wink:
The reason i select Troll as Bst was the gator, i didn't want to become another Tiger Bst. I do like the Tiger pet, they are great and everything, the main concern is there to much of them. Gator really reflect the heritage of a Troll, been swamp creature its normal that we become attune to the beast of this environement. God, EQ dev have put graphic for Time elemental BP that fit the ideal of swamp creature (that BP look ugly).
Please give us back our little gator, i can go on with a small pet (even if i find it frustating when next to a Tiger pet same level as mine and 10 times bigger), its really dfine our race/class better than the Basilic one.
Account Cancelled, #2 reason being that I cannot stand to look at that ugly piece of shi* any longer.
I returned to EQ about a week ago and still hope that we will get a gator model soon.
I recently ran to Shar Val to get my letter from Muada and when entering the palace I noticed that the two warders there had upgraded models, they are less big now but are well animated and have more polygons.
I can almost smell a change to warder models in general and think it will not be much longer till it happens.
To sum it up for me: I would like to have my gator back because that Basilisk is not an animal but an abomination BUT: Until they have time to fix this, I prefer the Basilisk to the old mini-gator.
Just need a little bit more patience I guess, still hoping we will get the Tar'Dak Hunter model from PoNightmares as a warder model, how cool would that be :)
Seems beastlords win. Saw that the NDA for TSS expansion has been lifted, and saw that after TSS
is released there supposeably going to give us NEW WARDERS after a few patches I think!
Check out this link for more TSS info also...Read the Coming Soon section for the new warders plug.
http://primaldreams.everquestguilds.net/index.vm?sessionServerID=t0IwmAgpGHnU6GgN (http://primaldreams.everquestguilds.net/index.vm?sessionServerID=t0IwmAgpGHnU6GgN)
I'm kinda excited and at the same time I'm dreading, if they ruin all warders for everyone this time....:( God i'll be so pissed...
Hey All,
I think the Basilisk warder sucks go back to the alligator warder and make it look better and make it scale in size like the Kitty's cat warder does. I notice nothing has been done about this so plz fix it.
Gatr Bait
55 BstLord
Bristlebane
it'll happen soon(tm)
I want my Gator back, please
here is a quote from Polanski, who was a beta-tester for TSS:
QuoteYes they are confirmed coming, but not with TSS launch. Source (only people with beta access will be able to use that link and I'm not allowed to quote from it.).
There is a new spectre and alligator already done with TSS but I would consider it very unlikely that will be in the global file by tuesday.
And he linked a pic of the new warder too: http://eq2images.station.sony.com/000/001/118/840.jpg
He said it was from an official source/quote on the beta-forums, which can only be read by those with access off course. I am VERY happy with the new model in that pic! )
Oh my this is nice !
When will it go live? Can't wait :)
I hate to burst anyones bubble, but I don't remember ever seeing anything about new beastlord warder graphics during the entire Beta. In fact, the posts quoted above about Necro's spectre pets is incorrect, because the necros asked for a new pet graphic, and the devs in no uncertain terms told them that they would not be updating that graphic.
OK thanks for bursting that bubble.
This sucks !
I mean I was coping with the basilisk, after all they said that it was a TEMPORARY change when they introduced it :(
Now we all get our hopes up and get a kick in the nuts instead, bah.
We did a Leviathan raid a few days ago and it looks like the same zone where that screenshot came from, and it makes me wonder: Why can't we have the original pets back? They're the same one that's now in that zone (instead of the upgraded model shown).
I still want the new vah shir warder :/ You dont have to walk by a reminder that a better model exists every time you origin to grobb.
Lol, I always leave Shar Vahl by going up in the tunnels, as if I were going to Mauda, and then I just fall off the wall and walk around all that crap.
I think it would be good if Tastian would use his connections to get us an update on what is planned with warder models.
I do not believe that they will leave the models as they are !
Especially since the warders in front of the kitty palace already have the new models !!
Some kind of official info would be nice, I think we do deserve that, even if there is no official ETA on anything, I know that many Trollies who quit playing over the warder issue will return once we got our gators back and scan this forum every now and then for this info - I know I did when I left EQ !
Nay.
I've been horsing around with a new account and considering reactivating my old one for a while. I'm glad I stumbled across this thread, if I had logged on and found my beloved gator turned into that abomination I might have cried. (melodrama!)
Seriously though, that new model looks terrible. But then, I think almost every model they re-vamp looks terrible. Except Kunark goblins, those were great. And spirit wolves, but the original ones were improved, but the original velious wolves were way better. (Remember them? The huge wolves with giant triangular red eyes?)
One of the reasons I originally quit EQ was having my character changed without my consent in ways I didn't like. New models, breaking armor textures, things that changed a character that I was attached to into something else. I made a troll beastlord specifically so I could have a huge awesome gator buddy running around with me. Then they super-shrunk them, but they were still cool, and I could shrink myself down and feel better about it. Making them grow larger again is one of the best things they could do, but not if it means replacing them with some weirdo monster spider lizard thing. And the new expansion gator someone linked (savage caiman) is no good either. The gators should look the way they did when we created them. Cute, and short, not some demonic spiked roid machine.
In closing, I hope that whatever they do, they give people a choice. Let people choose to change their warder to a new model, let people choose to keep the warder they grew up with, let people choose what to do with their character, don't make the decision for them.
PS:
New Warder http://www.geocities.com/shadowblade3000/newgator.JPG (http://www.geocities.com/shadowblade3000/newgator.JPG)
Savage Caiman http://eq2images.station.sony.com/000/001/118/840.jpg (http://eq2images.station.sony.com/000/001/118/840.jpg)
Crocolisk http://wow.allakhazam.com/images/mobs/large_loch_crocolisk.jpg (http://wow.allakhazam.com/images/mobs/large_loch_crocolisk.jpg)
They just don't compare!
http://everquest.allakhazam.com/scenery/guktop-croc.jpg (http://everquest.allakhazam.com/scenery/guktop-croc.jpg)
Quote from: Okerb on January 08, 2007, 06:58:01 PM
Nay.
I've been horsing around with a new account and considering reactivating my old one for a while. I'm glad I stumbled across this thread, if I had logged on and found my beloved gator turned into that abomination I might have cried. (melodrama!)
Seriously though, that new model looks terrible. But then, I think almost every model they re-vamp looks terrible. Except Kunark goblins, those were great. And spirit wolves, but the original ones were improved, but the original velious wolves were way better. (Remember them? The huge wolves with giant triangular red eyes?)
One of the reasons I originally quit EQ was having my character changed without my consent in ways I didn't like. New models, breaking armor textures, things that changed a character that I was attached to into something else. I made a troll beastlord specifically so I could have a huge awesome gator buddy running around with me. Then they super-shrunk them, but they were still cool, and I could shrink myself down and feel better about it. Making them grow larger again is one of the best things they could do, but not if it means replacing them with some weirdo monster spider lizard thing. And the new expansion gator someone linked (savage caiman) is no good either. The gators should look the way they did when we created them. Cute, and short, not some demonic spiked roid machine.
In closing, I hope that whatever they do, they give people a choice. Let people choose to change their warder to a new model, let people choose to keep the warder they grew up with, let people choose what to do with their character, don't make the decision for them.
PS:
New Warder http://www.geocities.com/shadowblade3000/newgator.JPG (http://www.geocities.com/shadowblade3000/newgator.JPG)
Savage Caiman http://eq2images.station.sony.com/000/001/118/840.jpg (http://eq2images.station.sony.com/000/001/118/840.jpg)
Crocolisk http://wow.allakhazam.com/images/mobs/large_loch_crocolisk.jpg (http://wow.allakhazam.com/images/mobs/large_loch_crocolisk.jpg)
They just don't compare!
http://everquest.allakhazam.com/scenery/guktop-croc.jpg (http://everquest.allakhazam.com/scenery/guktop-croc.jpg)
Unfortunately, the devs are completely uninterested in problems like these, especially since it is such a small group that is affected(Troll Beastlords). Yet also for me, this was one of the bigger reasons to unsubscribe in the end. So again it comes down to the fact that they simply have too few people working on the game. The revamps are quit terrible indeed, only Lavastorm and Ro was ok (and Nek 3.0), but East and West Commons was another disaster imo. They shrunk both zones into one of half the original size yet packed all the camps and inns in there, making it look very silly. They are now ridiculously close together. The texturing is bland, and the cool, somewhat hidden entrance to Befallen that you usually located through it's eery glow is now a gaping hole in the zonewall that you can see from the other end of the zone. Stuff like that really makes me think that the current devs have no eye at all for the more subtle sides of World building. :(
Still nay.
I'd still like my gator back... or at least something more closely resembling a gator anyway.
I vote yes on new warder. :-) He is more cool than a gator. Gator looked like a football mascot :-(
NAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL, check out the Demo server. This graphic doesn't exist, so the warder looks like a little human. even that is better than this one. Gator or mini human, not this one!