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should be on bst BP not necro ! (the clicky)
What it wrong with these people? Next thing you know they are going to give Clerics a Mind Wrack clicky. Or, hell, Paladins gonna get something like Wunshi.
Naa, theyll just add attack to brells, add hp regen to the clarity line and phase us out completely. :roll:
our proc their proc
poison (-75) cold (0)
0 proc mod 75 proc mod
200-575 dmg 500 dmg
100 regen 500 heal on proc
2 mins 2 mins
I'm assuming if they have a recast, it's the same. I'd say theyre arguably equally powerful and it beats the fook out of another nuke click~ Or better, a DoT click!!
Not to mention the necro actually has to be using a pet.
Draton also has Autocast Prism Skin.
Were beastlords a mistake when they were first introduced? Is this their way of trying to correct the mistake? By making us all play zerkers or something?
soe loves screwing us over dps wise its nothing new
Quote from: Kroshx on January 14, 2007, 11:47:30 PM
Were beastlords a mistake when they were first introduced? Is this their way of trying to correct the mistake? By making us all play zerkers or something?
Nah I think we are the class rangers were able to convince the devs we were mistakes, they are trying to do that with zerkers right now.
A minor pet DPS upgrade to necros has you all up in arms? What's more, it's on the RAID version of the BP, and most raiding necros absolutely HATE this clicky, since they don't use their pets at all when raiding.
Rarely, classes will get each other's abilities, like the old Thurg BST BP with druid DS on it. Anyone considering giving another class an older BST pet proc as "farming out our essential abilities", especially when the pet proc in question will find only incidental use by a tiny subset of necros, is barking up the wrong tree, IMO.
It would be more in keeping for the beasts to get the DD clickly proc and necros get the dot proc. Of course the opinion of somebody who has played since original EQ came out has little bearing on this topic :-P
Quote from: Rarrum on January 14, 2007, 08:36:00 PM
Draton also has Autocast Prism Skin.
Actually it autocasts a spell called prism skin that is a 500 point heal, as i said.
Quote from: hakaaba on January 15, 2007, 06:46:23 PM
Quote from: Rarrum on January 14, 2007, 08:36:00 PM
Draton also has Autocast Prism Skin.
Actually it autocasts a spell called prism skin that is a 500 point heal, as i said.
So, which of the two skins is more useful: 500 heal, or 1-hit Rune?
I'm more annoyed about the tunic focus. I'll be keeping my DP tunic with beneficial mana preservation and another item that has 60% to all heals, including the pet heal. Losing the beneficial preservation would be a much bigger blow to my healing abilities than I would ever get back with a slightly impoved heal, and I don't like focuses that only work on a single version of a spell. Even with this tunic I'd still have to keep my other healing item to cover pet heals, and with a limited number of armor slots I cannot be wasting them on redundant focuses. Its hard enough as it is being a hybrid and having to keep melee focuses (fero,cleave) and all the caster focuses all at once. You can't lose any of them after you've played having them all, they are missed too much.
And since the topic wasn't just about the tunic, it was general itemization...... WTH is with the lack of mods on TSS gear !!!!!!!! Ya ya, lots of HP, big deal I have 15k unbuff now, I had more mods when I had anguish gear =( /cry WTB more shielding !!!
I would agree terroz.......the pure lack of focus's in general from TSS armor and the tier'ed armor is ungodly....as of now I see most people keeping demi armor for focus's and waiting for another expansion's armor....one day SoE will put focus's more into play
Quote from: Spiritclaw on January 15, 2007, 05:12:51 PM
It would be more in keeping for the beasts to get the DD clickly proc and necros get the dot proc. Of course the opinion of somebody who has played since original EQ came out has little bearing on this topic :-P
With BP clickies, I would *much* rather get an ability that I cannot duplicate with spells or effects, if that ability is one that will be upgraded in future spell sets, or (as would be the case here, and has happened to many in the past) is
already upgraded. Nothing is more useless than getting an obsolete buff clicky*. Yay, I saved mana casting something that I don't cast any more!
I used the Thurg BP for years (literally).
*Edit: Yes, I know that the PoR buff is situationally useful. Still, I would rather have a clickie like this one that is more generally useful, and won't get outdated.
Quote from: Kroshx on January 14, 2007, 11:47:30 PM
Were beastlords a mistake when they were first introduced? Is this their way of trying to correct the mistake? By making us all play zerkers or something?
Well, if you look at EQ2 you can see your answer pretty clearly. Every single one of the 16 EQ1 classes was ported over. Every last one of them.....except beasties.
Oh and they give other classes the ability to turn into tigers that look a lot like our big kitty AA, but doesn't wear off. The Vah Shir there are butt ugly, but that's neither here nor there.
omfg I would love that clicky on my epic or my BP/LEGs/SHOES/HAND slot.
Damn them for giving it to necros...its a mistake right? Tell me is a friggin BIG Mistake! plz
/crys ...whimpers....
I don't understand the problem with that Necro clicky. Am I missing something?
the pet proc was bst/mage department only before. The massive amount of procs was bst territory. Now they're being given a tool to further eliminate our uniqueness.
1 Week remains. Can't wait for VG to go live.
I guess I just don't have that much of a problem with it. Necro's always have been the "master" of lifetap so that proc isn't that far off base for their class. In addition it seem to me they're the ones worst off as far as pet survivability goes, at least I almost never see a necro pet on raids. And finally it's only the uberest of the uber Necros that even stand a chance of seeing that BP. It just doesn't strike me as something to get my knickers in a bind over really.
I rarely see a Necro using normal pets on raids mainly due to the fact that they don't really need them to DPS. So in my opinion we're worst off for survivability since our pet still forms a decent amount of our dps. Add to that a lack of utility on raids and I feel quite downbeat about our class at the moment. I hope the next expansion see's a fix coming for some of our problems at least, fixed AA's and spells would be nice............alternatively we could all make monks :roll:
So Rangers get "Pet swarm" clicky on their Tennish ( Tier 2 TSS) and Necro's get a beastlord proc on their Terrax ( Tier 4 TSS) ? WTH?
That makes no sense..
Scratches head..
Quote from: Kitathia on January 23, 2007, 05:22:42 PM
Necro's get a beastlord proc on their Terrax ( Tier 4 TSS) ? WTH?
That makes no sense..
Scratches head..
Thats what im saying dern it !!!! Would be much better if we had that proc at least we'd make use of it on our pets, unlike necros who like many stated don't use their pets on raids much at all anymore due to massive dot dps.
the necro clicky will make sense when TBS comes out trust me
my god.... all the whining, and people threatening to go to Vanguard. buh bye. juszt leave already. Vanguard is 50x more buggy and problem prone than EQ ever was on its worst day. Enjoy.
Prism skin is NOT a heal. its a 500 damage Rune, just like what our Pet procs give off. ( oroshar, lairn )
Beastlord Pets still PWN compared to Nec pets, so Hush. i would be more worried if they gave it to a Mage. Ever been in a situation where the raid Leader says All pets in on Target, while PC's stay at range? this will save their pets ass. Whats the Big deal? Whine when they get steeltrap Jaws, Hobble, and our other Goodies. our pets still rule.
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Khodius -- See here: http://lucy.allakhazam.com/spelllist.html?searchtext=prism+skin.
Notice that 2, 2, items are listed under Prism Skin. One of them is a rune, the other a heal. Prism Skin IS a heal, and it's only for necros.
I still say this should be beastlord only, we are the only pet class who casts a spell for procs to occur on our pets, I thought that was pretty unquie and giving it to necros blows.
Screw necros, BSTS for the win! *grin*
Quote from: Mewzee on January 30, 2007, 07:20:05 AM
I still say this should be beastlord only, we are the only pet class who casts a spell for procs to occur on our pets, I thought that was pretty unquie and giving it to necros blows.
Screw necros, BSTS for the win! *grin*
Mage proc spell - Iceflame Skin.
Shammy - Panther
I have much <3 for the necros, and they were rather shafted w/ TSS (horrible lich, and huge drops in mana efficiency), and their pet certainly needs help. And, imo, a prism skin spell or clicky should be readily accessible for them, so that even "lite" raiders can get one easily.
As far as Beastlord utility/dps procs, I do agree they rock, and I'm glad we're starting to see a wider range of resist checks again....one resist for everything makes me cry.
I'd love to see some pet procs w/ group shortbuff group recourses now....%crit, spell boost a la mini bard, other debuffs, etc,....
I agree pet proc recourses for group would be really interesting...someone should go post that in the got ideas in SOE correspondent section.
Oh yeah btw read this discussion i made...tell me what you think...
http://forums.beastlords.org/index.php?topic=7236.0