I was wondering if anyone had suggestions on good weapon augs that came out with UF release... Currently im using the 3 and 4 dmg augs from SoD as I was never able to get the dmg augs from FC/AG raids... I know of the Pewter aug and plan to try camping it soon (5 dmg) but im pretty sure ive seen a couple other decent ones out there.
Thanks
Cat
I'm using deaggro aug from boomerang missiosn on my ranged item. It has chance to proc when casting detrimental spells and it procs very often. I don't know how much the proc reduces spell aggro, but I guess it won't hurt to have one (expecpt losing few ac and hp/mana/endu).
-Raz
I got the Pewter aug from the chest at the end of Scent of a Woman. Just lucky I guess, but it wasn't that hard of a mission so if camping the named starts to get old, farming the misison is also an option.
I'm using a lifetap aug form the boomerang missions in the ranged slot. I've always liked lifetaps.
there a 6 damage aug out of convort.
there is also damg + DD proc augs
ill have to look into doing scent of a woman, im sure some guildies still need it!, anyone know the name or mob belonging to the DD + proc aug? Dont see myself using a deaggro aug personally, sony has given us way too many deaggro tools as is and i like my HP.AC augs lol :)
with FD now 80% i careless how much agro i can make or lose. lol so ill be going all out on raids now thank god.
UQ task is not to hard i can pull it with my ench
There is a 6 dmg aug and a 5 dmg aug with a proc. Kinda makes the 5 dmg aug pointless from UQ unless you have a spare weapon set laying around to toss it in.
Quote from: Razimir on April 09, 2010, 12:34:34 PM
I'm using deaggro aug from boomerang missiosn on my ranged item. It has chance to proc when casting detrimental spells and it procs very often. I don't know how much the proc reduces spell aggro, but I guess it won't hurt to have one (expecpt losing few ac and hp/mana/endu).
-Raz
Its a focus effect, not a proc. Its not really that noticable of a difference at the raid in, group game its a huge difference. It effects just about every detrimental spell you cast ( not sure on slow).
I did use one of these but decided the slot was better served in the form an dps proc aug. Personally i also use the life sap one, it twin procs and can double crit for around 1700 heals. Its not the best option for pure dps, but its the best all around imo. They proc often so its a decent change in dps from not having anything there.
Quote from: Dragonfangs on April 10, 2010, 01:05:10 AM
Its a focus effect, not a proc. Its not really that noticable of a difference at the raid in, group game its a huge difference. It effects just about every detrimental spell you cast ( not sure on slow).
Atleast it gives an emote and it doesn't happen every time, so I'd say it is proc.
-Raz
Quote from: Dragonfangs on April 10, 2010, 01:05:10 AM
There is a 6 dmg aug and a 5 dmg aug with a proc. Kinda makes the 5 dmg aug pointless from UQ unless you have a spare weapon set laying around to toss it in.
Quote from: Razimir on April 09, 2010, 12:34:34 PM
I'm using deaggro aug from boomerang missiosn on my ranged item. It has chance to proc when casting detrimental spells and it procs very often. I don't know how much the proc reduces spell aggro, but I guess it won't hurt to have one (expecpt losing few ac and hp/mana/endu).
-Raz
Its a focus effect, not a proc. Its not really that noticable of a difference at the raid in, group game its a huge difference. It effects just about every detrimental spell you cast ( not sure on slow).
I did use one of these but decided the slot was better served in the form an dps proc aug. Personally i also use the life sap one, it twin procs and can double crit for around 1700 heals. Its not the best option for pure dps, but its the best all around imo. They proc often so its a decent change in dps from not having anything there.
Just curious but if this effects just about every detrimental spell you cast then how does it not effect you on raids when you are chaining every nuke and dot you have? I would think logically it would have greater impact on a raider as more casts = more chances for this to go off.
Quote from: wildwaters on April 10, 2010, 01:41:28 PM
Quote from: Dragonfangs on April 10, 2010, 01:05:10 AM
There is a 6 dmg aug and a 5 dmg aug with a proc. Kinda makes the 5 dmg aug pointless from UQ unless you have a spare weapon set laying around to toss it in.
Quote from: Razimir on April 09, 2010, 12:34:34 PM
I'm using deaggro aug from boomerang missiosn on my ranged item. It has chance to proc when casting detrimental spells and it procs very often. I don't know how much the proc reduces spell aggro, but I guess it won't hurt to have one (expecpt losing few ac and hp/mana/endu).
-Raz
Its a focus effect, not a proc. Its not really that noticable of a difference at the raid in, group game its a huge difference. It effects just about every detrimental spell you cast ( not sure on slow).
I did use one of these but decided the slot was better served in the form an dps proc aug. Personally i also use the life sap one, it twin procs and can double crit for around 1700 heals. Its not the best option for pure dps, but its the best all around imo. They proc often so its a decent change in dps from not having anything there.
Just curious but if this effects just about every detrimental spell you cast then how does it not effect you on raids when you are chaining every nuke and dot you have? I would think logically it would have greater impact on a raider as more casts = more chances for this to go off.
when you cast a spell it has a chance to trigger. when it trigger you lose aggro if it lands and gain aggro if resisted. granted the aggro gain is not mush but on raids the higher resist on mobs mean that are gaining aggro over losing it.
any resist adds a set amount of aggro and Stun aggro is one of the highest resist aggro that why people use the stun proc for aggro it not because the stun work but more so because it resisted and give more aggro.
the same hold for the deaggro even those the resist aggro is small it still there. so on a trigger that lands it lowers aggro by X amount and is good it not landing means you not only don't lose aggro but gain a little.
so in groups when it lands often it is a good aug but on raids if your having aggro problems and your fighting mobs that will resist it then you end up adding to the problem not helping it
Quote from: Mazame on April 10, 2010, 05:20:43 PM
when you cast a spell it has a chance to trigger. when it trigger you lose aggro if it lands and gain aggro if resisted. granted the aggro gain is not mush but on raids the higher resist on mobs mean that are gaining aggro over losing it.
any resist adds a set amount of aggro and Stun aggro is one of the highest resist aggro that why people use the stun proc for aggro it not because the stun work but more so because it resisted and give more aggro.
the same hold for the deaggro even those the resist aggro is small it still there. so on a trigger that lands it lowers aggro by X amount and is good it not landing means you not only don't lose aggro but gain a little.
so in groups when it lands often it is a good aug but on raids if your having aggro problems and your fighting mobs that will resist it then you end up adding to the problem not helping it
All spells add a tiny bit of aggro, and that is from mobs reaction to a spell being cast on them (around 100 aggro), but a resisted deaggro will still lower it's full amount, just like a resisted nuke will still give you full base damage aggro. Can't find the dev post to it, but I have seen them respond to Rangers and Wizards at least about jolt and resists, both stating deaggro will drop aggro whether resisted or not, people just think it did nothing since they see the red message.
Quote from: Razimir on April 10, 2010, 05:57:57 AM
Quote from: Dragonfangs on April 10, 2010, 01:05:10 AM
Its a focus effect, not a proc. Its not really that noticable of a difference at the raid in, group game its a huge difference. It effects just about every detrimental spell you cast ( not sure on slow).
Atleast it gives an emote and it doesn't happen every time, so I'd say it is proc.
-Raz
It fires with every DD and DoT you cast. Its a focus effect not a proc. There is an emote and it did fire every cast, the only one I am not sure that if it fired on is our slow. There is a huge difference from a Focus Effect and a Proc.
Quote from: wildwaters on April 10, 2010, 01:41:28 PM
Just curious but if this effects just about every detrimental spell you cast then how does it not effect you on raids when you are chaining every nuke and dot you have? I would think logically it would have greater impact on a raider as more casts = more chances for this to go off.
Its a two prong ordeal, one that was mentioned above more casts = a larger lump of aggro. And that some tanks only work to keep aggro when someone else has it. As i stated above its not a Proc its a Focus Effect it needs no random chance to fire.
The idea of using a deaggro aug is fairly moot at raid end, in group game it makes a huge difference.
Quote from: Dragonfangs on April 12, 2010, 11:15:43 PM
As i stated above its not a Proc its a Focus Effect it needs no random chance to fire.
I don't know where you get this idea? It is clearly a proc, It has a chance to fire off on detrimental spell. When the the PROC happens, there is a message:
"XXX feels calmer."
So where is your proof it is not a proc?
-Raz
It's a proc.
Maybe people are confusing the two different types of weapon augs. There are 2 types now.
1. normal combat procs, like we've had forever. These have a chance to proc as long as you are swinging. Typically expect 2-3 procs per minute.
2. new "sympathic" procs, which proc based off spell casts.
They tried to tune the proc rates so sympathetic procs fire about the same rate as normal combat procs, 2-3 per minute, assuming you are fast casting your spells.
I don't know if sympathetic procs are affected by Weapon Affinity, but this would be good information.
Don't know for sure about weapon affinity, but you can definitely twinproc them. This would lead me to believe other proc factors (WA, FE, etc) affect them also.
Quote from: Razimir on April 13, 2010, 06:32:09 AM
Quote from: Dragonfangs on April 12, 2010, 11:15:43 PM
As i stated above its not a Proc its a Focus Effect it needs no random chance to fire.
I don't know where you get this idea? It is clearly a proc, It has a chance to fire off on detrimental spell. When the the PROC happens, there is a message:
"XXX feels calmer."
So where is your proof it is not a proc?
-Raz
IF it is a proc its one of the most firing procs i have ever seen. It beats any other calming proc there is for the amount of times it fires.
However, in reading what the augs do there are some key differences between a proc line and a focus line that are very noticable.
http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=85717 - the de aggro aug.
http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=85715 - the dps type augs.
You will notice the deaggro type aug is missing the "Has a chance to" in the details part. That puts it more in line with a "casting classes" focus effect more then a proc. That is how I read it atleast, if you can post a parse log that doesn't have it firing every spell it could well be a proc then with typing errors in the in-game details.
one of the sypathetic augs you linked had a forum post that said it proced 26% of the time.
Assuming 1 cast every 5 seconds, or 12 cast per minute, these equates to 3 procs per minute, which matches up with the expected proc rate from melee augs.
Quote from: Bumkus on April 13, 2010, 10:54:48 PM
one of the sypathetic augs you linked had a forum post that said it proced 26% of the time.
Assuming 1 cast every 5 seconds, or 12 cast per minute, these equates to 3 procs per minute, which matches up with the expected proc rate from melee augs.
In the rather big thread on Sympathetic procs, a dev said they made it so that they PROCCED about 2-3 times per minute to match weapon procs, so they are not focus effects.
Quote from: Bumkus on April 13, 2010, 10:54:48 PM
one of the sypathetic augs you linked had a forum post that said it proced 26% of the time.
Assuming 1 cast every 5 seconds, or 12 cast per minute, these equates to 3 procs per minute, which matches up with the expected proc rate from melee augs.
You can't really rely on data from Allakhazam to be 100% correct. Given my experience with that aug i would say its more like the focus effect on the cleric 2.0.
Quote from: Dragonfangs on April 14, 2010, 02:40:49 AM
Quote from: Bumkus on April 13, 2010, 10:54:48 PM
one of the sypathetic augs you linked had a forum post that said it proced 26% of the time.
Assuming 1 cast every 5 seconds, or 12 cast per minute, these equates to 3 procs per minute, which matches up with the expected proc rate from melee augs.
You can't really rely on data from Allakhazam to be 100% correct. Given my experience with that aug i would say its more like the focus effect on the cleric 2.0.
I'm not relying on Allak, I'm relying on my own eyes. My eyes tells, me that effect is not happening every time. It happens a lot more frequently than eg. GoM procs, but Sympathetic Calming does not fire on every cast. It fires often, but not with every cast. If you don't believe your own eyes make an AT for it and you can hear it too.
-Raz