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Everquest 1 => Library => The Beastlords' Companion => Topic started by: Inphared on January 24, 2011, 09:08:41 PM

Title: Iksar Warder Freezing
Post by: Inphared on January 24, 2011, 09:08:41 PM
Friend is looking to start up a Beastlord and he wants to know which race to choose.

My question is: does the bug where the warder freezes still exist?

I've never actually been an Iksar before, but I remember for a long time it was a big complaint. Just wondering if it's still around.
Title: Re: Iksar Warder Freezing
Post by: kharthai on January 24, 2011, 09:13:59 PM
Yeah, small price to pay for not being one of the other optional races though.
Title: Re: Iksar Warder Freezing
Post by: Khauruk on January 24, 2011, 10:54:26 PM
It exists, but why not ogre?
Title: Re: Iksar Warder Freezing
Post by: Inphared on January 25, 2011, 12:02:12 AM
I tried for the big bad ogre, but he wouldn't have it. /qq
Title: Re: Iksar Warder Freezing
Post by: Rnan on January 25, 2011, 12:15:20 AM
ogre for the no stun i assume. question about that as well. if you are not in ogre form does the no stun still work ?

Rnan
Title: Re: Iksar Warder Freezing
Post by: Khauruk on January 25, 2011, 12:41:50 AM
Yes, it does!  IMO, the only sensible min/max choices are vah shit (/shudder) for sneak, and ogre for stun immunity, (and a bear).  The others are flavor, since the iksar AC bonus (if it applies to bst...I don't think so) is illusionary.
Title: Re: Iksar Warder Freezing
Post by: AbyssalMage on January 25, 2011, 01:13:11 AM
Yes, it does!  IMO, the only sensible min/max choices are vah shit (/shudder) for sneak, and ogre for stun immunity, (and a bear).  The others are flavor, since the iksar AC bonus (if it applies to bst...I don't think so) is illusionary.

Should be innate ac/regen.
Easiest way is to make level 1 Iksar BST and level 1 <race> BST (Make sure their AGI is the same) and compare their displayed AC unequipped.
I vote Ogre also...But innate AC/regen at level 90 may be beneficial.
Title: Re: Iksar Warder Freezing
Post by: Khauruk on January 25, 2011, 01:23:50 AM
Regen is pointless vs. incoming dps nowadays imo.  Even regen spells are generally useless.

Shadowknights have parsed the AC boost to be something displayed only, and not providing any mitigation benefit.  I'd have to dig around on egn to find them, but Brael has mentioned it several times.
Title: Re: Iksar Warder Freezing
Post by: Rnan on January 25, 2011, 03:32:01 AM
what is egn ?

thank you
Rnan
Title: Re: Iksar Warder Freezing
Post by: Khauruk on January 25, 2011, 03:43:48 AM
Sorry...evilgamer.net, the shadowknight class forums.
Title: Re: Iksar Warder Freezing
Post by: Zunar on January 25, 2011, 09:47:07 AM
I remember something similar, that the Iksar AC bonus is very minimal.
Isn't there a difference too on buffed AC from spells vs worn AC from gear?
As I recall, buffed AC gives less benefit, and maybe the AC bonus is a buffed type, only innate.
Title: Re: Iksar Warder Freezing
Post by: Sharrien on January 25, 2011, 04:27:22 PM
I would go ogre for the stun immunity.  I like playing vah shir and the sneak ability has helped me a lot over the years, but I haven't had to use it in a good while.  Right now I really really wish I could be stunned less.

However, my little son likes seeing the tiger when he wanders in to watch me play so I'll never switch.
Title: Re: Iksar Warder Freezing
Post by: bradam on January 25, 2011, 04:28:07 PM
Could go barbarian.. innate cold resist ftw!
Title: Re: Iksar Warder Freezing
Post by: Khauruk on January 25, 2011, 04:57:03 PM
I remember something similar, that the Iksar AC bonus is very minimal.
Isn't there a difference too on buffed AC from spells vs worn AC from gear?
As I recall, buffed AC gives less benefit, and maybe the AC bonus is a buffed type, only innate.

Well, buff AC gives "less benefit" when you look at the spell data.  I recall it being 1/6th of what spell data shows, though looking at the warrior aura on Lucy, it suggests 3 and 1/3rd (300 AC in spelldata = 90 AC displayed).  That 90 AC displayed has the same impact as 90 displayed AC from gear though.  I also don't know if they have a mechanism to distinguish between the two types when taken innately as you suggest.


I would go ogre for the stun immunity.  I like playing vah shir and the sneak ability has helped me a lot over the years, but I haven't had to use it in a good while.  Right now I really really wish I could be stunned less.

However, my little son likes seeing the tiger when he wanders in to watch me play so I'll never switch.

Indeed, ever since the SoF type3 aug debacle (could buy them w/ sneak on regardless of faction, so everybody shrouded as a rogue to get them), they seem to design content specifically so you can't use sneak.  Sensible, but sad.  I've only used it a couple times on my ranger - once for his epic yesterday, and once in convort while I hid behind a column and let seeinvis wander past me (I still died shortly after though :/)

The kid comment might be the most important consideration though :)  Kiiiittttiiiiieeeessss!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Iksar Warder Freezing
Post by: Funks on April 07, 2011, 05:21:49 PM
No one has mentioned trolls!! Gator!
Title: Re: Iksar Warder Freezing
Post by: Nusa on April 07, 2011, 09:13:42 PM
No one has mentioned trolls!! Gator!
That's a no-win topic for Sony since both gators and basilisks have their fans, and there's no pleasing everyone. Leaving it like it is is likely the best decision. Anyone who would actually quit over the gator issue has already left, so why alienate the basilisk lovers?