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Finished With My Epic Quest in Under Three Hours!

Started by Chackra, June 27, 2004, 03:37:54 AM

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Mindlet

The main reason quests suck in eq is that they don't track your quests. If you ever played DAoC you will know how quests should be done.  Before you can complete any quest you first need to get it. Then after you have got it and kill the mob that it says to kill you AND everyone in your party who also has the quest will automatically have the item in your invetory. Also the mobs you have to kill are not stupid long days/week long spawns they are pretty much always there. Also theres no point killing the mob before you have the quest as it won't drop the items needed. Nor are they camped because they don't drop loot.

Also the quest log which shows you the quests you are doing has decent directions on what you need to do. All in all its a pretty good quest system.

Chackra

Quote from: MindletThe main reason quests suck in eq is that they don't track your quests.

I once read a designer say the EQ engine didn't allow for that, and they couldn't add it without doing a complete character wipe.  He said if they had it to do over again from scratch, they would definitely have put that in.

But then they came out with "flagging", so I don't know.

Chackra

Speaking of DoAC, have they added a lot of non-pvp content since release?  I played it for the first month and loved it.  (Some very interesting and fun quests, btw), but around level 30 I found myself standing by a field shaped like a large postage stamp, pulling mobs to the edge.  It was like fishing in a barrel.  Back then there were lots of empty areas.

If there is a WHOLE lot more content, I'd like to try it out again, but it just seems like they're way too focused on pvp, and I have no interest in that at all.

Mindlet

To be honest I wouldn't have a clue. I too got to 30 and found almost nothing to do. I stopped playing about 2 months after release.

Kashmiir Battlekat

There are really only 2 things I hate in Everquest:

#1: Quests
#2: LDoN

1: I hate quests. Dont ask me why... I really dont know. I guess I just dont like the idea of 'camping' crappy_mob_9985 to loot a "giant swollen pigs ass" tp then bring back to "Jeffry the NPC" who then sends you to give this "Note" to "Bob the Baker" who then asks you to find him a "A Brown Terd" off of "A Giant Terd Machine" in "Zone fo Newbies"....

I just dont like quests. Generally speaking 90% of all quest results are crap and are usually replaced very quickly with something better from the Bazaar. Now dont get me wrong. Some quests are viable. The Binden Con(spelling that is a pain in my buttocks), some Epics (Cleric) and perhaps a minor quest or 2 are worthy.

I hate quests.

2: I hate LDoN. I dont think I really need to go in to the complete ass-ness of this particular part of the game. Its just a gigantic time sink with VERY little reward after spending 15,000 hours in there.

So I dont do LDoN. Plain and simple.

feralize

It's all very well saying this and that about WoW but realize they've had 5 years to study what was right and what wasn't about EQ before copying the parts that did work and refining it to suit their own needs.

EQ is just a different game than it was five years ago. The quests, generally speaking, HAVE gotten better in terms of both their intuitiveness and reward so I think the designers have learned.

I'm not ashamed about going to spoiler sites to read up about certain quests if the reward is worth the time invested. I still find those quests fun even if I don't have to put any thought into doing them as long as I know what I'm up against when I start. If the reward is worth it, I'll do it i.e. I've just started my bard epic and plan on finishing up my wizard epic also as the rewards are still nice. I couldn't ever imagine doing them without looking at spoiler sites but that's not the only avenue you have of finding out how to do quests...there are other people in this game who have completed them already and would probably give you the lowdown on hot to complete them.
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Lorathir

Quote from: feralizeThe quests, generally speaking, HAVE gotten better in terms of both their intuitiveness and reward so I think the designers have learned.

Which ones? Not being glib, besides Epic and the Qeynos badge quests, I'm really struggling trying to find decent ones suited to a mid to high level Bst that doesn't raid. Only ones I can think of are the Twilight ones, which are extremely disappointing, even on Luclin release.

BloodCelt

gonna be a hard ride when you start getting ready to go to VT if the beastlord epic was tough for ya ;p

BC
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Chackra

Quote from: BloodCeltgonna be a hard ride when you start getting ready to go to VT if the beastlord epic was tough for ya ;p

BC

Do you find reading "tough"?  I lost count of how many times I said this:  "hard" has nothing to do with it; the so-called quests in EQ are stupid and boring.  I suppose I can see why you might find them endlessly fascinating, but they are simply not my cup of tea.

neight

The most interesting thing about this thread was figuring out which tired, bored chiche it'd fit into.

At first it was kinda lookin' like "(insert name of MMORPG here) is WAY better than EQ, but I continue to play and bitch incessantly about this one 'cause I'm cool," but then it kinda veered towards "Uber-guilders are evil! I pay $12.99 a month too so I should be equal!" It's amazing how many ways the exact same things can be said.

Now I'm not sure where it's going, but please, continue. /popcorn on

Neight
Neight Wulfe <Requiem>
75 Barbarian Beastlord
The Tribunal

Urim

QuoteI wouldn't mind if the quest took ten times longer -- in fact, the longer the better if the process were in some way fun or interesting.
Quote"hard" has nothing to do with it; the so-called quests in EQ are stupid and boring.
What would make the quests fun or interesting and less stupid and boring? If your going to badmouth the current way things are handled then best be able to provide an alternative. The only suggestions i saw in the quick glances i got were for the quests to be "that a person playing the game from the point of view of the character has a reasonable chance of figuring them out on his own". This sounds like you want more clues when the quest is given out but how would this change anything? Still the same old stupid boring quest but this time you have more clues. And if the quests couldn't be figured out by a person playing then how did it get solved in the first place to be put on the cheat sites or Allakhazam's that you use?

The quest system is fine as it is and if you don't like it then you have the freedom of not doing these quests. Sure, more little add ons would be nice, but then theres that saying "If its not broke, why fix it". This system has worked for 5+ years, why change it now. Thats whats great about this game, you can, for the most part, choose what you want to do and how you want to do it. If you want that piece of armor or that weapon, you can go out and get it on your own or pay someone to do it for you.
Maelin Starpyre
[80 Arch Animist] Urim the Library Guardian (Iksar) <Crimson Tempest>

'Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity'

feralize

Quote from: LorathirWhich ones? Not being glib, besides Epic and the Qeynos badge quests, I'm really struggling trying to find decent ones suited to a mid to high level Bst that doesn't raid. Only ones I can think of are the Twilight ones, which are extremely disappointing, even on Luclin release.

The Nurga and Droga "free the slaves" quests spring to mind...
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Chubaka

I don't really mind the quests in EQ.  The ones that have a story and make sense.

The Shaman Epic is my favorite eq-story ever.  The only hint I got from a cheat site was where the starting NPC was.  For the rest of it, I actually READ the text to find out where to go. It was very fun and back then it was EPIC.

Now my beast epic story was so-so and easy.  The most help I ever had was like 5 people and I read the hints on it just because I wanted the weapon and that was it.  I didn't care about the story.

Quests are fun if you don't read the spoilers.  Just like single player games are fun if you don't use character editors or cheat codes.  How long would you keep playing if you could edit your char with any gear you wanted and plunk 700AA into him with a cheat.  Ya your uber.  Ya you have no sense of accomplishement. Ya your bored.  You would quit after a week.
Chubaka
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Lorathir

Quote from: feralizeThe Nurga and Droga "free the slaves" quests spring to mind...

Just the ticket. I didn't think anything there would be an upgrade for me, but I see there's a nice looking back item I could definately use.

Thanks!

Lorathir

Quote from: neightbut then it kinda veered towards "Uber-guilders are evil! I pay $12.99 a month too so I should be equal!" It's amazing how many ways the exact same things can be said.

Would that be in reference to what I said Neight?