Class envy rides again.

Strigori · August 23, 2004, 02:14:51 AM

Stun master doesnt mean no one else should get one, but honestly why are we getting one? nowhere in 65 levels do we get any form of stun that isnt a pet proc. It doesnt fit us and have no problem with it being changed.

Razimir · August 23, 2004, 04:36:33 AM

Pallies can showe their stunns. Imo Roar of Thunder with 72min reuse is totally useless and I won't be bying it anytime soon (if they ever puts this AA in the game). Lets have SoE give pallies roar of thunder AA instead of celestial stun and wait how much they will whine and cry about crap AA they got.

-Raz

BloodCelt · August 23, 2004, 04:58:26 AM

Xalmat is probably drawing up a detailed chart for them as we speak.

Eatbugs · August 23, 2004, 05:22:09 AM

Quote from: RhaynneHonestly, I kinda agree with paladins on the AA they are complaining about us getting.

I don't think it makes much sense for us to have it either.

The funny part is, from the thread on it elsewhere it sounds like it's not an AA most of us want anyway.

Bheran · August 23, 2004, 01:30:22 PM

Hehe, I couldn't care less about the Rot AA. I was in a poor mood Friday, when I came across a few paladins saying f... beasts, and whatnot, and it irritated me.

Seriously, why can't people be advocates for what they want without trying to put down what others' have?

mrowrr · August 23, 2004, 04:46:14 PM

Reuse timers controls who is master of something. I'm not sure in what context we need a stun but maybe it's due to something we don't yet know about OoW.

Kreseth · August 23, 2004, 08:51:59 PM

We don't need a 72 minute stun. It doesn't make sense from a class perspective. It's a bit too close to a HT 2.0 anyway...lose it & give me some real DPS upgrades. Everything else I've seen I like though I still dunno if I'll be getting this expansion.

--Kreseth

CillianFV · August 23, 2004, 10:04:58 PM

Somewhere along the line it seems someone decided it was a beastlords role to forever listen to other classes endlessly complain about our abilities that we do not really care for or use much (i.e. 9 sec casting time heal, 72 min recast stun).

Maulx · August 24, 2004, 08:05:36 PM

This is the most ignorant thing I have ever read and it was in that thread:

"You are correct. That AA is not what overpowers BLs. Slows, dots, a pet than can tank nearly as well as a player character, and mgbable paragon are what overpowers them.

Duke Superdorf"

Hrann · August 24, 2004, 09:02:13 PM

Yeah our dots are uber! Thanks for pointing that out Mr. Superdorf LOL

Eatbugs · August 25, 2004, 07:17:42 AM

Yessirree, MGB paragon does me a heck of a lot of good as an individual player.

Oh wait, no it doesn't. :P Seriously, I love seeing people complain about things that benefit them.

Nekokirei · August 25, 2004, 04:55:38 PM

While waiting from Stromm to come up, was hanging out in general chat and saw the envy pop up. There was some talk going on about who'd "0wn" a Bard and someone popped up w/the "BLs are overpowered!" ranting about we need to be nerfed due to "uber slow"

/sigh

Normally, I might've bit, but, thanks to the all the terrific posts on the thread regarding "overpowered" question I was secure enough to know he/she/it had no idea what they were saying.

Knowledge is power...um, wait, maybe *that* makes up overpowered... :P

Panthermask · August 28, 2004, 12:30:33 AM

The thing that most paladins don't understand is that regardless of the re-use on this stun, it's not going ro jeopardize their function in a group. If it's 72min recast, it's a novelty and we can't use it but maybe once or twice in most exp groups. If it has a short recast time, we'll simply wind up dead every few minutes from grabbing aggro from the real tank.

We aren't tanks. Outside of something like normal LDoN (where the exp is TERRIBLE and a wet paper towel can tank) it is far more efficient and necessary in many cases to get a plate tank. No amount of stuns, heals, or slows will change that fact.

Kinash · August 30, 2004, 04:56:58 PM

Quote from: PanthermaskThe thing that most paladins don't understand is that regardless of the re-use on this stun, it's not going ro jeopardize their function in a group. If it's 72min recast, it's a novelty and we can't use it but maybe once or twice in most exp groups. If it has a short recast time, we'll simply wind up dead every few minutes from grabbing aggro from the real tank.

We aren't tanks. Outside of something like normal LDoN (where the exp is TERRIBLE and a wet paper towel can tank) it is far more efficient and necessary in many cases to get a plate tank. No amount of stuns, heals, or slows will change that fact.

I can see it being usefull sometimes when soloing. There are times I wish I had a stun when a dying mob starts to slowly flee towards some other mobs. I have gotten killed every now-and-then when a mob got close enough to cause another mob to ADD. Usually my Warder's stun will do the trick, but if not things get hairy. But beyond that I can see it getting us killed more than helping us :)

Panthermask · August 30, 2004, 09:14:04 PM

Yeah, I can see it having usage when solo'ing. I was really only addressing the concern paladins are having in regards to their group function. Any belief on their parts that this stun is a threat to their supremacy as stunners or tanks is silly and uninformed.