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EQ / WoW discussion (Formerly known as the now infamous EQ is dead)

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Kashmiir Battlekat

Of my 4 accounts I have 1 account still active in EQ1. My Cleric. Hes paid until Jan 24th 2005....

So I log in last evening around 10:30pm on Veeshan. Hes perma-parked at the Time Portal.

I hit my friends list which consists of approximately 24 individuals.

What do I see? 1 person is on the list. ONE out of 24 or so. Now that my friends is severe.

So then I humor myself and hit '/who' in Plane of Tranquility. Oh my... 8 people in the entire zone!

I then figure... hmm... well, with OoW out Im sure lots of people are over there. So I head over to Plane of Knowledge just for kicks.

I hit '/who'.

To my surprise... 23 people in the entire zone!

Now that my friends tells me something is seriously 'borked' with EQ1 populations.

Its only a matter of time before server merges occur on the 'non-pvp' side of things.

Scarey. Oh well, it was bound to happen someday. EQ1 cannot last forever in its highest form, but the game will be there and alive with activity for at least 5 more years. For all of you who play EQ1 and are still finding great enjoyment take heart and know that the game you love (as I still do) will be there for many more years to come, but it will 'never' be the game it was 4 -5 years ago.

One thing that I am somewhat disappointed about is they continue to churn out Expansions (going for the big dollor) rather then releasing a 'tremendous' patch that repairs all of the irritating things about EQ1 such as 'crappy Luclin Models', 'levitate lag', 'smoothing out Tradeskills even more', 'balance out classes a bit more', 'balance loot with quality assurance' etc... etc... heckj, I would have PAID for a patch like that. A huge patch that dealt directly with  many passed irritations that would be too large to download or too painful to downloak. I would have paid for it.

Anyways, update from me on WoW.

WoW is not a game that is very 'group' friendly. You find that you do much better in most XP grinds just going at it solo. I am now level 36 (almost 37) and I have not really grouped with any of my friends as its just not as efficient. If a mob gives me 220 xp for 1 kill and I group with 1 person it knocks it down to like 63 XP. I havent quite figured out yet the exact XP ratio between 2 grouped characteres and level difference, but I do know you take a pretty big XP hit if they are even 2 levels higher then you. This doesnt really make for any good reason to group....

The game itself is quite fun. I mean it. "FUN". I mean like "YIPEE! WOO WOO" type fun. This is quite a change from EQ for me. EQ started getting me down because it always felt like I was never getting any headway.

I really dont know what to say about WoW other then it is Everquest with all of the irritating factors removed. Its a good game and well worth my $50.00 to buy it, my $15.00/month to play it and the recent server issues they are having (expected since its a new game).

Dummkopf

I havent logged into EQ in nearly 2 months now and im surprised that i dont miss the game (although i had a lot of fun there). I do however miss the friends i played with. Some play in the WoW beta now and more will at least try out WoW once its open over here so i hope to see them again.

About WoW, i play my second hunter at the moment, this time a nightelf and will ding her 40 tomorrow i hope (the dwarf is 47). It's true that grouping for xp isnt a good thing to do, but then you shouldnt grind anyway, at least with your first character in that game. There are so many quests that you always can do several at once. Grouping becomes a big thing once you start to do instances and elite quests.

Hunters are a lot of fun to play, i really love that class, its the beastlord i always wished to be (well, i could do with more melee, but even that is possible). Nevertheless hunter is the most played class on nearly all beta servers i ran a census on so i will most probably start a priest in retail since that is the least played class and one of the most important one in instances, especially later on in higher levels. As for now i enjoy my hunters as long as the european beta lasts :)

Kashmiir Battlekat

You speak in the sense that the game is in Beta release. The game went gold about 3 months ago.

Quote from: Dummkopf on January 23, 2005, 10:41:02 PM
I havent logged into EQ in nearly 2 months now and im surprised that i dont miss the game (although i had a lot of fun there). I do however miss the friends i played with. Some play in the WoW beta now and more will at least try out WoW once its open over here so i hope to see them again.

About WoW, i play my second hunter at the moment, this time a nightelf and will ding her 40 tomorrow i hope (the dwarf is 47). It's true that grouping for xp isnt a good thing to do, but then you shouldnt grind anyway, at least with your first character in that game. There are so many quests that you always can do several at once. Grouping becomes a big thing once you start to do instances and elite quests.

Hunters are a lot of fun to play, i really love that class, its the beastlord i always wished to be (well, i could do with more melee, but even that is possible). Nevertheless hunter is the most played class on nearly all beta servers i ran a census on so i will most probably start a priest in retail since that is the least played class and one of the most important one in instances, especially later on in higher levels. As for now i enjoy my hunters as long as the european beta lasts :)


danaconda

Kash.... pay attention man  :-D

This is the last line of the quote in your post....
QuoteAs for now i enjoy my hunters as long as the european beta lasts

European Beta. They haven't released it in Europe yet!  :evil:

GO ME!!
Dedlee Beatdown retired
Troll Beastlord of Lanys T'Vyl
(moved onto WoW - Mannoroth server, same name)

Kashmiir Battlekat

Quote from: danaconda on January 24, 2005, 09:07:52 PM
Kash.... pay attention man  :-D

This is the last line of the quote in your post....
QuoteAs for now i enjoy my hunters as long as the european beta lasts

European Beta. They haven't released it in Europe yet!  :evil:

GO ME!!

DOH!!! I am abashed!

Sorry, please forgive me. Its Monday :(

--hehe

Aneya

In other news, we cleared Time again over the weekend. :P
EQ Aneya 70 Beastlord Tarew Marr
EQ2 Evalin Swashbuckler Mistmoore

Jaeren

You are smarter on Tuesdays or something Kash? :P



EQ - Morell Thule / Erollisi Marr (Retired):
[75 Beastlord] Jaeren (Barbarian)
[72 Cleric] Velissia (High Elf)
[69 Shaman] Sotar (Vah Shir)
  
WoW - Medivh (Retired):
[60 Rogue] Draeven (Undead)
[60 Priest] Lifesaver (Undead)
[56 Rogue] Klaien (Human)
[51 Paladin] Keidian (Human)
  
VSOH - Flamehammer (Retired)
[34 Disciple] Daevien (Half Elf)
[33 Bard] Pastorius (Kojani)
[26 Dread Knight] Draeven (Kojani)


Kashmiir Battlekat

Quote from: Jaeren on January 25, 2005, 04:46:29 AM
You are smarter on Tuesdays or something Kash? :P

Who are you?

danaconda

Well, at least he's smart enough to be Horde..... can't say the same about you Jaeren  :evil:
Dedlee Beatdown retired
Troll Beastlord of Lanys T'Vyl
(moved onto WoW - Mannoroth server, same name)

Kashmiir Battlekat

Quote from: danaconda on January 27, 2005, 02:01:07 PM
Well, at least he's smart enough to be Horde..... can't say the same about you Jaeren  :evil:

BUA HA HA HA!

The Hoard is not evil. Just the Alliance misunderstands our intentions.

Jaeren

And that's why the horde comes through to beat up the little gnomes? :P



EQ - Morell Thule / Erollisi Marr (Retired):
[75 Beastlord] Jaeren (Barbarian)
[72 Cleric] Velissia (High Elf)
[69 Shaman] Sotar (Vah Shir)
  
WoW - Medivh (Retired):
[60 Rogue] Draeven (Undead)
[60 Priest] Lifesaver (Undead)
[56 Rogue] Klaien (Human)
[51 Paladin] Keidian (Human)
  
VSOH - Flamehammer (Retired)
[34 Disciple] Daevien (Half Elf)
[33 Bard] Pastorius (Kojani)
[26 Dread Knight] Draeven (Kojani)


danaconda

I'll officially state: /hijack on

But yes, the Horde is evil! Kash must be thinking it's Monday or something. No one misunderstands me. I'm evil. Very evil. I once bedded an orc female then met up with her sister right in front of her. Now that's evil!  :evil:

I kill children centaurs. I kill lionesses! Nothing will be spared from my weapons. Some poor night elf crossed my path and was 7 levels higher than me. I killed him too (albeit with 4 others). I was at the Crossroads and it was attacked by 4 lvl 60 Alliance members. One was a gnome!  :x I attempted to kill him. Gnomes infuriate me. A barbaric sense of rage overtakes me. There is no denying it.

Oh yeah, and /hijack off (for me)

Now, EQ is dead to me! (think of that scene from Karate Kid 2 when Sato says that to his nephew/son?)
Dedlee Beatdown retired
Troll Beastlord of Lanys T'Vyl
(moved onto WoW - Mannoroth server, same name)

Dummkopf

/bonk Kash, yes, it isnt released here (thats the biggest thing i hate about WoW btw, regional servers just suck).

But now we got a release date, feb 11th will be the day, just gotta check my schedule....

Yay. i got the day off! Too bad i have to work the next 3 days though.


Kashmiir Battlekat

Quote from: Dummkopf on February 03, 2005, 01:56:13 AM
/bonk Kash, yes, it isnt released here (thats the biggest thing i hate about WoW btw, regional servers just suck).

But now we got a release date, feb 11th will be the day, just gotta check my schedule....

Yay. i got the day off! Too bad i have to work the next 3 days though.



DOH!

Thats awesome the the Euro Release is coming soon. I can say, without a doubt, that the US release has been quite incredible. We have fought with many server issues, but its to be expected.

Be preparef for downtime. Having the following 3 day after release at work may be a blessing in disguise :)

ghostryder

QuoteWoW is not a game that is very 'group' friendly. You find that you do much better in most XP grinds just going at it solo. I am now level 36 (almost 37) and I have not really grouped with any of my friends as its just not as efficient. If a mob gives me 220 xp for 1 kill and I group with 1 person it knocks it down to like 63 XP

Eq players are going to have to become un-brain-washed in terms of XP grinds. In WoW one simply isn't as concerned about the XP bar. There's no rush to get 55 so you can have a decent Beastlord and finally tank along your pet, or no rush to ding 70 to join that ubber guild because unlike EQ where your journey suffers from huge dips from being underpowered or overpowered WoW is geniusly balanced from start to finish throughout the level ranges. Whatever level you are things remain constant. You can always kill an Elite your level or 1 below, you can always kill regular mobs 2 to 4 levels higher. I dinged 48 yesterday and was able to take down a 52.

I cannot stretch how much better quests are layed out. Last night I wanted to finish up the 'missing corrier' quest- it progresses like this. NPC quest giver tells you about a courier that never reached town. Look for signs of him. You search along the beach until you come across a sunken rowboat. The rowboat is surrounded by level 49 water elementals. You clear those and you click on the rowboat to receive a dagger that belongs to the missing corrier. You bring it back. The quest NPC tells you to bring it to the town's wiseman for clues. The wiseman drinks a potion and has a vision. This is all played out in character animations and speech. He tells you his vision directed him to the Knoll camps further inland. Go search the knoll camps. You travel quite a ways into Feralas to reach the knoll camps. There's several. They occupy the center of the southern zone, which is about the size of Eastern Wastes. After clearing several camps you come across his knapsack. Instead of having to travel all the way back to town the quest message pops up with a message from the wiseman that the corrier has been taken to the southern end of the zone by wasps. You travel south to the wasps/insect nests. Here you fight bugs like tunnelers, wasps, workers. The nest goes underground in an array of tunnels and rooms. Finally you find the corrier. Hes in an cocoon. You click on him to free him and another quest window gives you the 'escort corrier to freedom' quest. So you fight your out. Here it's clear the quest spawns certain waves of mobs on you way to the exit.

Each stage was considered a different quest. complete all at once or one at a time. It was logical. I didn't need to log out and look up cryptic messages on an EQ info site to figure out what I needed to do. I never had to leave the game. Another glaring observation is quests are brilliantly intergrated with the zones. There's always a purpose. My XP rewards were generous. I received also a very nice dagger. I could do the quest solo, though a group speeds it up quite a bit, especially at the end with the escort mission. Me and two friends did the whole series in about 2 hours, but like I said, you could do it one stage at a time if you don't have that much time.

The closer I get to 60 the more I'm seeing how grouping will come into play. Raid zones, for one, are designed for guilds of 40 players. The guild has a week to finish the raid. No more EQ allnighters. Every aspect you suffer in EQ has been addressed!