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He was Uber Twinked!!!

Started by Whiptail_Warclaw, January 07, 2004, 11:10:01 PM

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Dorrogtr T`A

Twinking is alright with me, I learned everything about the class before I made the character.. I mean, look how I came out! Im not that bad a person if you dont piss me off. Anyways, twinking is fine with me, as long as you try not to stick out like... like... a box of glazed donuts and you're the only one with sprinkles. I think that's a good way to put it, I think. Well, if the person doesn't always say like "/tell group_leader_01 Why'd you pick that gimp beastlord, look at my gear and compare it to him, you stupid n00b" then that person is alright with me. Like.. if they use being twinked as an advantage for everyone in the group, knowing what you're doing, as well as guiding the group through whatever you're doing.

Erm.. I think I repeated myself like 3 times, sorry if I did, it's kinda late here.  :oops:

Zorthar

I hate when people picked twinked people over un-twinked people in groups.  It should be based on skill not armor.  Some untwinked people have been the best people playing the class.  However some of them suck so horribly no amount of twinkage will help them from dying and getting a group.

Valsuvious

Quote from: TailzinIMO you learn to play the class a lot quicker if you don't have that twink "cushion" to help you out.

A lot hate it but I think it's nice to see the better droppable items having a recommended level on it :P

People will be people though :?

I'm going to have to agree with this.  I spent alot of time building up my shaman when i started playing him.  I visited every website that I could and read up everything about him, where I could go, and how to get the best gear for my level.  Now, I'm using a friends shaman to PL my twink beastlord up to his current level of 60, but I can tell you that I wouldn't trust my ability to use him effectively in a group.  Hell, I got on beta using their betabuffed 65 shaman and I almost died to the first mob that I fought.  If it wasn't for the fact that i remembered how to use pet heal it would have been ugly.

mac173

Quote from: renlI started a beastlord recently on FV server just for a break from Tunare and started with nothing. I just started replacing my patchwork armor with better items at level 30.

If you want to avoid good equipment, OK. At level 30 you have access to better armour than patchwork. You could make your own by then, and the Quest armours available are much better than patchwork. Hero's shroud, Champions Cape, Bandit Bracers, the list goes on. Check my magelo on Kracke. The only twink item is the Acrylia Tunic, a gift from a Guildie, the rest I bought with money I earned. And he's only level 25.

I agree that not twinking will increase your skill in playing, both solo and in group, but I think AVOIDING even level appropriate armour is a little excessive. At least for me.

Gnarloth

With a little time and effort, you can easily make enough money in the bazaar to buy some good armour - I was buying black pantherskin items in my 30's from money off drops etc. Farm some silks, sell them, buy good armour! (Good) weapons tend to be more expensive in my opinon, so there shouldn't be any reason to hold back on armour.

But we are off topic, back to the twinks.....

62.10 Iksar Beastlord on Prexus
Xanthic

feralize

There is no proven correlation between how good someone is playing their class and how twinked they are.

In fact, I think it's really just some kind of justification on an untwinked persons part that somehow they are superior to a twinked character. Yeah you really learn a lot sitting on your arse medding.

All twinking does is cut down on downtime...OHHH I get it now, while you're medding you're reading eqbeastlord.org and therefore learning more about your class than a twinked person who is actually still killing stuff and who doesn't have time to do that...GOT IT  :P

Just because someone is twinked does not mean they still don't take time to maintain their casting skills. Nor does it mean they use less variety of spells in order to get the job done. So exactly how is an untwinked character better at their class?

Now powerlevelling is totally different.
[65 Feral Lord] http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=750138" >Feralize (Iksar) 163aa : [65 Arcanist] http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=758777" >Kikagoki (Froglok) 39aa : [62 Warlock] http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=679674" >Bonekasta (Erudite) 29aa : [62 Warder] http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=846383" >Traku (Human) 6aa : [56 Troubador] http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=986526" >Twotonic (Vah Shir) 3aa : [51 Crusader] http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=865632" >Ubinusan (Erudite) : [51 Brawler] http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=1045121" >Drolthar (Dwarf) : [44 Shaman] http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=986554" >Jikkorak (Iksar) : [40 Druid] http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=1045106" >Ceggan (Halfling)

testarossa

Well, my son, his friend, and I started our Vah Shir a few months ago - my son started a bard, his friend a warrior (he'd played a warrior before but his main is now a 65 monk), and I started a beastlord (my main is a warrior - my son swaps off between his pally and SK mostly).

We started in the pit, with my 65 bst friend buffing us and giving us advice on which drops were for what. After that session (and a good start to our class-specific quests) we were done for the day (the only rule is we only play our characters for xp when we're all together).

Then, I tripped over an opaline helm in my main's bank. Talked with my son's friend, bottom line is for his birthday he got a full set of lambent. Then, a guildie was working on his smithing - bottom line he gave me a full set of mixed gold and platinum chain for the warrior.

Then I helped another bst friend with the last fight of her epic, and she gave my beast (level 11 or so iirc) the tunic that drops from the fight, as well as the bracers. (I don't know about the global community, but on DRo it's tradition to have a young bst there to get the tunic, rather than the person getting the epic).

Then, both my over-60 bst friends started handing down bits and pieces of gear, including a black-bladed ulak and a fist of iron.

And the warrior handed his old Centi LS to his warrior.

And the 65 bst gave my son the troubadour's mace he tripped over somewhere.

Now the Twink Team burns through levels like we were being powerleveled - even without external buffage. My son is able to reliably twist 3 songs most times, and I've even figured out chain casting pets when it really goes south (never could manage that on the mage somehow). Every time we get together (which is once a week if we're lucky) it takes a few kills to remind the warrior he's NOT on his monk and to pull slower (6 mobs at a time is a BIT much) - and we're in our mid-20's.

So, we didn't start out to be super twinks, but somehow we are now.

And, my son's pally's smithing has finally reached the fine plate level, and our warrior has happily ditched his chain for a full set of fine plate.

The bottom line is, we're all having fun, and we're all learning (re-learning) how to play our classes - since we're basically our own group at this point, we don't much mess with other folks (though there was a great afternoon at B1 in PC - about the only time I've done a bandit camp - great fun till the a**holes showed up and were such pains we finally left). My 65 bst friend has a shaman that will be playing with us soon - he's almost got it caught up to us in levels so we can LDoN together - even without any cleric/shammy support (just a breeze if I remember to get one) we've burned through 3 LDoN dungeons with no real problems.

Sorry, now I'm rambling - I don't have an opinion on twinks, I guess, long as they know what they're doing. And since I'm a fairly clueless 50-year-old, I find that some twinking helps me keep toons alive long enough in their lower levels to actually LEARN something - lol which isn't easy at my age.  :wink:

Jendaru

I understand being annoyed with the /ooc Twink LFG, but at least the necro was looking for a group.  At least give him credit for that. :)

Jendaru
Beastlord of the 19th Season
Firiona Vie

Dummkopf

I have nothing against twinking although i started out totally untwinked (and it was fun). Most twinks i group with are twinks from guildies who know a lot about the game and the class they play at the moment. Much more so than most newbies will learn in the first 6 month. Even PLing ist always bad although i dont like it and will never do it. I've met some very good pled twinks (a friend of mine even now pls his bst, the bst is lvl 65/65+ aas), however the danger for new players is much higher to never learn the class they play and thats the main reason i dont like it.

It seems some player need to advertise with stats or equipment to get a group especially in the beginning of  a characters lifetime, but as they level and get a reputation they will get groups much easier (or it will be much harder for them).

mac173

There seems to be a real line of delineation between those who leveled chars before the PC era, and those who came in after. There is just something irritating about spending 3 weeks getting to level 6, FINALLY getting a piece of Ghulam armour..........
And now, between the changes to the game, and the proliferation of twinks, watching someone get the 6 levels in 2 hours, with better equipment than could be had when you leveled originally.

I don't know if the twinking causes people to be less skilled than not, because it simply takes less skill, and time, to gain levels today. The speed of leveling tails off after the 40's, and the skills needed are pretty much well known. You will gain those skills then, or you won't live to gain the level.

I think the real problem is the "old timers" like me decrying the loss of emphasis on the lower level game that we spent SOOOOO much time on. It has value to us, because of the time and energy spent on it, and we are upset that it now has NO value. I try to justify the time and energy spent there by saying that I am more skilled than the players today, but I don't know if that is really true.

/sigh

Just pat me on the head and say "Sure, Grandpa"

Noxdowne Draggout

I was twinked when I started out.

Big time for my level.

Rather than embarrass myself I went into solo mode. I soloed everyday and learned what I could and could not do.

How to pet control.

What buffs did I like and what ones would others request.

How well I could tank if I needed to step into that role.

Looking back it was the best thing I could have done considering my start.

Learning a pet class and learning pet control is an art form imo.

I can get aggro on a moments notice and tank mezz with snappy anytime the need arises.

I can also recognize those moments that will need me to do that in the first few seconds of a pull.

Too many people that grouped their whole way do not know how to get the most out of their class.

I can remember being in BoT just recently and having to off tank a nasty level 63 giant with my warder.

I let him pound on me watching for snappy's proc to happen as I neared 30% health. Backed out and popped my drog. Chain healed my pet until I was /oom and then came off my drog at 65% health and we killed the giant.

I knew that the damage done to the mob from dots and nukes was less mana efficient than straight up healing my pet. I knew this because I have been in that situation 200 times before while soloing.

I knew I could regen enough on my mount once I was /oom. Then I would have enough hp's to step in with my protective disc and stay in that fight long enough to squeeze another heal out of my mana pool from standing mana regen for snappy. This if my 65% wasn't going to be enough to get the job done by itself.

Being twinked isn't the issue.

The issue is how you present yourself to others be it through tells or actions.

He was twinked and who knows if he died on a bad pull or a poorly timed cleric fizzle.

I think it boils down to bragging in any form not being acceptable in /shout or /ooc.

It's okay to be twinked. It's the losers that are twinked that are the problem :)

Nox

Scalewulf

"I understand being annoyed with the /ooc Twink LFG, but at least the necro was looking for a group. At least give him credit for that."

That could go either way.  Most well played Necro's I've seen are rarely LFG.  Will they group, sure, mostly because they have to in certain situations (LDoN, and some areas of PoP, etc).  

The Necro I group with often (just because we are an incredibly efficient duo) is a badass pimp that usually only groups to help others out or for LDoN.  

/agree Nox

Nevertheless, what Nox said about soloing REALLY shows when you group with people that have solo'd most of their lives.  They are usually very efficient and not sloppy at all.  

Meanwhile, it's been my experience from grouping with others that have grouped their entire 65 levels and then went on to raid for years, that they can be somewhat sloppy and not adept to handle certain situations.  Disclaimer being that this is not ALWAYS the case, but it's often enough for me to have noticed.  

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Atropine_BB

I have to completely agree here with what the previous two posters have said about soloing.

In order for most classes to solo, you have to be knowledgeable about your classes abilities, spells, strengths and weaknesses.  You have to be efficient and on top of your game the whole time you solo.  You cannot just sit back and go semi-afk while your group does most of the work.

I learned this while leveling up my bard.  I've played a bard for 121 levels (2 separate bards, 1 56 & 1 65) and over 120AA.  It's been a while since I played my bard since I started playing my beastlord...  but here is my experience:

When I played my first bard... I only got to level 56.  I grouped almost his entire career, and I never learned how to solo or kite except for fear kiting.  All 56 levels were done in groups.

When I made my second bard, I went to all the websites... eqdiva and the concert hall.  I read all about the abilities and strengths of bards.  I started really soloing for my first time.  At level 46 I began to toy around with the infamous swarm kiting.  I died a ton of times...  however I realized that while soloing I could twist up to 4 songs...  4 songs!!  Previously I had thought the max songs a bard could keep up is 3.  Okay so right there I learned an incredibly useful thing about my song timing.  Ever since then I've been able to keep up 3 songs constantly even in some pretty bad lag.

Not only that but I learned how to swarm, chant and charm kite.  My CC abilities in groups went through the roof just from learning how to solo with my bard.  I learned how to deal with 3-4 mobs at a time... how to crowd control all of them.  My timing was perfected when I really became adept at swarm kiting.  I got so good that I could take 20-30 mobs at a time.  I began swarm kiting in the plane of disease.  I went from level 53-59 in under a week.  

Soloing honed my skills...  Made me get the most out of my songs.  It made me efficient and able to deal with things a lot of bards simply don't because they never took the time to learn how to solo and deal with crowds of mobs.  

The same principle goes for all classes.  If you are good enough at playing your class that you can solo, then you will bring a lot to your group...

And guess what?  Most of the people who solo are EQ veterans that twink the hell out of their characters.
Elder Atropine Invictus
Beastlord Bard Ranger || Cleric Druid

Dummkopf

I have to agree with the soloing part, although i was untwinked at that time (well, nowadays you can call me a twink) i soloed from lvl 1 til lvl 58. Partly because i was tired of grouping with my old main (a 56 Pally), partly because i could solo efficiently. During that time i learned a lot about being a beastlord and how to play a pet-class, naturally i used pet-tanking or pet mez, pet clericing if i had to and when to step out of the tanking role, i learned a lot about my aggro management. After i started grouping (just because it became more efficient than soloing) i never had to wait lfg more than 5-10 minutes after a very short time.

Not all classes can solo that good, its a pain for a rog for example, but if you can solo at least a bit its very good to learn more about your class.