Will Beastlords be able to bear the burden?

[Hereki]

Shamans were the number one most desired class in PoP (and Luclin before), when slow became "overpowered" because SOE started to leverage mob power vs PCs.  Biggest dumb move ever, btw.

When thinking about their healing versus rangers and beastlords, you have to remember that shamans get the advantage of specialisation, the best mana regen in the game by far, and AAs tuned for mana efficiency.  Shaman HoTs make cleric ones look feeble, they really are that much better - even though the overall healing is lacking.

What I could never really figure was exactly why shamans felt so bad over GoD.  I mean, they got a massive boost in Omens, which was very soon after, and very few people bothered with GoD.  It seemed like a massive overreaction, when all I could see was that their slow DPS impacted soloing.  Slow mitigation didn't mean that much, as shaman slow was still much better with more options, and cast reasonably fast, much faster than enchanters, for instance.  However, there really is no smoke without fire, and I'm prepared to admit that my understanding is lacking.

The recast timer is way over the top, I agree with everyone there.  But, as someone said above, the nature of the class envy whining, and various board trolling, does tend to make me lose any sympathy that I might have.

[Jkal_Shihar]

I'm with agreeing on the whining. I have a shaman friend and since OoW and DoN, every time he logs on someone always sends him a tell to join a group. Where I'll have my LFG up for the time frame I'm on sometimes unless I feel like solo'n.
He even said that he though the Leopard/panther spell was a bit overpowered and was expecting a nerf to it soon. So that tells me that some of the shamans around are aware of what they have and what they can still do.
He thought the nerf to pet procs was a bad idea and in fact he pretty much thought it should be player only spell and never be able to land on a pet. But its something we will probably have to overcome like everything else we have since Luclin.
But like it was brought up, its still in test and if there really that worried bout it. Tell them to log in and help the dev's out. Thats what they want. Not wait for patch day and everyone bitch and complain to no end cause they didnt have enough feedback due to lack of testers.

[Khayden]

Panther was very overpowered, there was no way on earth that it was not going to get changed.  Pets doing 230dps just from the proc and melee doing 100 dps and being able to cast it on 10-12 people/pets was just completely trivialising some encounters.

The recast timer sucks as did the way it was (not) presented yeah, but crying and quitting over giving constructive feedback has never worked.

They fixed the pet problem, fine.  They should have made the single target buff group only, or a group buff, or put the recast at 10 secs or something... not a 30 second recast because that's no fun.

Quitting over one spell seems very over the top to me especially when you look at all the things a shaman CAN do.  I doubt many will actually do so.

Khayden

[jitathab]

So lets get this straight shall we.

Shaman comes whining to a BST forum that they dont like the changes SOE are making.

BST community is meant to do what exactly?

Go re-read Brenlo's comments and go complain to your class correspondant and your class collegues and your class Sony boards and perhaps something might change.

Posting here will get you absolutely no where at all. We can not do anything.

Oh wait I forgot BST's just got the new AA "Make everything better"

[Jkal_Shihar]

Oh wait I forgot BST's just got the new AA "Make everything better"

Cost: 50 pts

Description: Since Luclin, we at SOE feel that beastlords in general should be the commanding class for all to be representative. In that, we really listen but only to beastlords and therefore, any and all complaints must go through them before they make the purpose to change to us.



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[Khayden]

So lets get this straight shall we.

Shaman comes whining to a BST forum that they dont like the changes SOE are making.

Actually I can't see a single post from a shaman in this thread.  It was started by a bst with over 300 posts.  While I don't agree with him calling him a shaman is hardly called for  :evil:

Khayden

[Fin Beast]

PS. Tell "all the Shammen" that are leaving the game I will gladly take any level 70 shamman accounts. My cleric could stand to just be my personal rez stick.

[Oiingo]

As a side note, the most active developer participation in a thread on the official SOE Ever Quest forums in quite some time, all has to do with the upcoming changes to the shaman proc buff.  Though I don't have a direct link, I'm sure someone else can provide it.

Please note that he is actively soliciting comments and suggestions about the needed changes, and is responding to them in a very prompt and open manner.

Anyone that complains about it, regardless of class, certainly never had an opportunity to use it to it's full potential.

As for the other complaints regarding the beastlord vs. shaman comparison, they are largely unfounded.  Once all of the mergers are completed, it'll never be the shaman that take up space on the LFG tool, it'll be the beastlords, as it always has been.

I especially liked the one which suggested we would ever be invited to a group because of our healing.  Put a smile on my face.

[Hinthi]

Monks alreadyalways complain.

There, you have some truth in your rant.

[Lesstor]

Berserkers didnt get much of a revamp with the class envisioning process (END adjustements and dps at mid levels). So just chill and wait to see what the changes are actually going to be before you jump to conclusions. Ive been playing eq since pre-kunark and there has ALWAYS been major issues with most of the classes most of the time. Just chill or stop paying for your acct until they do the changes then evaluate if you want to keep giving SoE your patronage, simple as that.

[seizelia]

well hmm OK so how in the HELL am i supposed to take of the slowing duties on inc lets see i get NO i say again NO AAS or items to reduce aggro from my spells and you want me to slow raid mobs???? Where i can slow the group named in MPG and if I'm crazy i can try and slow some in Qvic but i guarantee you that if i start popping my slows on inc mobs my guild will go totally apeshit.  I have done this before when people said that the shamans weren't slowing and the only thing i ever got for my troubles was a quick trip to bind and a chewing out from raid leaders. 
I am in the top 6 in every category for Saryrn beastlords atm--dunno it that will change when MM combines with us .  Currently i raid with 12.3k hp and around 8.7k mana which means nothing, if a beast is tossing slows around in a raid they better make sure that the clerics like them a lot because they are going to be getting rezzed a ton.  Maybe beasts in lower end guilds can do some raid slowing but i have seen nothing in Time tiers4 and 5 higher end GoD and especially in the new OOW raids that I'm even interested in trying to slow

also as others stated come to Saryrn and try to find a shaman that has their lfg up for more than 5-10 minutes without getting several invites the only times i see shaman lfg is when they want a specific area for xp

[Firriann]

i was main slower in a non-disclosed part of anguish (dont wanna leave tidbits =p). we had 4 shamans, 3 chanters. yet, i was the one doing the slowing. well guess what, the new slow will help me perform that job to the very best. cause i was getting strings of 4-5 resists each times. hm.. im a bst in anguish and i slow. i dunno, maybe im just crazy?

[Nusa]

I slowed Quarm today. Well, the shaman were trying too, I just did it first.

[BloodCelt]

Any groups who chooses a beastlord over a shaman because of a beastlords healing ability needs to get their head checked.

SHHH dammit!

I have carefully manipulated large numbers of people into being ignorant that we beastlord even HAD a heal spell. 

Ironcelt dont heal dammit.

BC

[Khayden]

I slow in RSS, Ikkinz, Time, in fact everywhere I go.  Raid mobs, group named, trash.  I've never found it to be suicidal, slow aggro is what protective spirit is for.

Every single raid every beastlord in my guild is stood next to a tank and slowing everything they tag, that way the poor little chanters and shammies don't get stomped on.

I die because of slowing occasionally (like once every couple of raids) when I forget I've just used the disc and spam slow something but in the main it's not that hazardous.  Maybe in Qvic+ it changes but to be honest I suspect with the extra gear and the disc you can carry on doing the same.

Khayden