Per Prathun's request at FF, spells parent classes have that the hybrids should

[Khauruk]

Swiped from the EQLive Veteran's Forums.

This thread has, surprise, surprise, degenerated into crap.  Let's try to get a short list of some good reasonable changes and submit them to Prathun through 'better' channels.

For reference, here's the shammy spell list from Lucy:
http://lucy.allakhazam.com/spelllist.html?classes=SHM&source=Live
Monkey list:
http://lucy.allakhazam.com/spelllist.html?classes=MNK&source=Live

1 - Talisman of Celerity Easy upgrade, Convenience issue
2 - Cripple http://lucy.allakhazam.com/spell.html?id=1592&source=Live  This would be a plenty sufficient upgrade for SoF, imo. (see The List thread for what I'm talking about)
3 - Levitation http://lucy.allakhazam.com/spell.html?id=2894&source=Live  Easy upgrade, convenience issue (no reagent).

Longshots:
Remove Curse (doubt we'd get RGC)
Pure Blood
HoT line - Quiescence at 80 wouldn't be horribly overpowering....might be able to make a case for it.

Might be nice:
Spirit of Scale http://lucy.allakhazam.com/spell.html?id=1554&source=Live

I don't see any realistic possibilities from the monk list.

[Nusa]

Perhaps the monk AA "Purify Body"?

Perhaps the equivalent of the level 35 monk disc: Ton Po's Defense (Increase chance to block 100% for 3 ticks).
Our block skill isn't as high as monks, but we are the only classes that get block at all, so it makes sense. And a second defense disc would be useful.

[Kitathia]

I agree with Nusa - would be nice to have a scond defensive disc - skill

KitKat

[Shieara]

I'd personally like to see whatever the group shrink is (tiny terror?).  It's annoying to single-shrink people on raids and I can't see shammies losing groups over this.

Is there any chance of group sow (bih li or however it is spelled)?

[jitathab]

Shaman levels in brackets

Talisman of celerity(64)
Blood of Nadox (52)
Focus of soul (62) or Focus of Seventh(65)
Introduction of HoT spells throughout.
Paralying earth (56)
Disinfecting Aura (52)

[Sindaar]

Definitely agree on Blood of Nadox, RGC & Quiesence(/Breath of Trushar, or maybe even Spiritual Serenity (weaker than the best hot pallies have atm , so us getting that at 75-80 shouldnt be too much).....
One thing on my personal "love to have" list= Canni ;)

from the monk side: Flying Kick! (I doubt we'd get it, but still would be a nice replacement for kick)

edit: /agree on Incapacitate upgrade!

[Adruger]

Talisman of Celerity - Seems like a natural progression for us, not overpowering but useful.  Plus it kind of irks me that bottled haste is better.

Cripple - could be useful, I really don't care either way

Levitate - be nice, not earth shattering, and if its a choice between this and another spell....

Spirit Veil - set duration invis self only, PLEASE

Potameid Salve - yes its a ranger spell, but we have had similar heals to them for quite a while, its not earth shattering but it does have a cure curse component to it.  I don't really want this spell, just something similar attached to our next heal.

I have no interest in Spirit Scale personally.

[Humlaine]

the level 61 spirt of panther line type spell, self proc, easy to add to us, and really wouldnt be out of line

[Kitathia]

I don't really care much for group shrink. Single cast takes very little mana - and even if it sucks to cast most ppl have minimizers and other selfshrink items.

Group Haste I would like but not an "urgent one - just nice to hav and it better be a tad better then what we have now lol*
Spirit Veil - fixed invis would rock - even if it's in AA form like the shm. - 9  or 12 AA I would buy it
A Curse cure - awesome - don't care if it comes as a spell or in a new heal like rangers.
Fero that actually worked other then to boost resists - cause that is the only reason I use it these days.
Single target slow - take pet proc slow away.. dump it.. I hate it and don't use it.
Upgrade to Growl maybe?

KitKat

[Khauruk]

Perhaps the monk AA "Purify Body"?

This being Prathun, I doubt he's interested in AAs.  Not his ballgame.

Perhaps the equivalent of the level 35 monk disc: Ton Po's Defense (Increase chance to block 100% for 3 ticks).
Our block skill isn't as high as monks, but we are the only classes that get block at all, so it makes sense. And a second defense disc would be useful.

Unless I'm misreading that, Ton Po's Defense will simply double our block success rate for 18 seconds.  Not a huge impact from what I can see, but I'm not sure what our total block rate is.  Does anybody have a figure?  Also, what's the reuse time on that?  I'm guessing it's much much higher than our current def. disc.

Paralying earth (56)

Won't happen.

Disinfecting Aura (52)

Potameiad Salve

I mentioned Pure Blood (Basically Blood of Nadox, but clr/dru version...group of Dis. Aura), RC, etc,...and made a case for making a Beastlord version of the Ranger's Salve.  I doubt he'll bite now, but we can hope for the best in beta.

Tiny Terror would be nice...I may have to PM him again to add that to my list.  Same with Spirit Veil, though they've never responded well to our requests for that iirc.

the level 61 spirt of panther line type spell, self proc, easy to add to us, and really wouldnt be out of line

Unless I misread you, that would be an entirely new spell created, so I doubt he'd bite on that now as well...if ever.

[Fuzkitty]

Cure curse spell, a second def disc, fero changed to an aura sounds like a dang good start.

[Humlaine]

it would be a new spell for our class, but not one from the shaman line its from DoN

[Khauruk]

the level 61 spirt of panther line type spell, self proc, easy to add to us, and really wouldnt be out of line

Bolded part - the shaman spell is not a self proc...it's a single target proc buff.  That's what I got out of it, anyways.

[Humlaine]

its not hard to change it to self only, even if it is a single target its not a big deal , I wouldnt be casting it on anyone else but myself most likely

[Bumkus]

Group Slow (i think it's pretty much a given we will get this, but remember that this adds nothing but convenience)

Wish list:
Cripple
Updraded disease cure
AoE Slow
Panther lite or Group melee disc
Upgraded Protective Spirit Disc